-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 4/15/10 10:21 , Kevin Wright wrote: > I think it's more that the results are relative... what proportion > of the total websites does language X have as compared to all > languages. (because we're really measuring how heavily each > language is marketed here, not how heavily it's used) > > Simply adding new languages will then reduce the apparent > contribution of the incumbents, even if absolute figures are > growing. This is probably most visible when languages within a > common plattform are compared. i.e. Java vs scala vs javafx vs ... > / C# vs F# vs VB.net vs ... / etc. I guess this is why Java and > C# appear to be dropping, they're now being joined on their > respective platforms by other languages that are more > productive/flexible for some scenarios. > > Lets face it, how many blogs and article do you see nowadays about > this wonderful new "Java" language that someone's just discovered? While I consider reasonable the data provided by Tiobe, I've three points:
1. It appears they consider language popularity using search engines. But how? For instance, do they consider that when people talk about popular frameworks such as Spring, JSF, Struts, Hibernate, etc... it's highly possible that the Java word is not present in a web document; still the document is implying the popularity of Java (if not at 100%, as those frameworks can be used by other languages in the Java ecosystem, by a huge degree). Of course, even other languages have got their frameworks, but I don't think that there are so many as Java. 2. The "slow decline" is so slow, and (C apart) the only competitor that is raising (C#) is so far that the break even is no closer than several years. By that time, as a huge Java fan, I *do* hope that another language has started replacing it! So, I'd say this trend is the expected one for every successful technology. 3. I'm curious about the C trend. While it's clearly popular and will be still popular because also of historic and popular reasons, it was in steady decline up to 2008 (the apparent surge in 2004 is due to some disturbances in the data sources, as explained by TIOBE in the FAQs at the bottom of the page) but in 2008 it seems that there has been a bounce. Why? - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people [email protected] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvG45sACgkQeDweFqgUGxfnwgCbB/Hmf/lgznF1bXHaP3dOFWNG NSQAnjvNoO7LMr0hSLh79dR4JC5HWZp/ =+mon -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
