As tiobe is reporting proportions (not absolute figures), it's totally possible for C to maintain a steady-state and yet appear to be taking a bigger proportion of the pie.
All it takes is for Java folk to start talking about Scala, and C# folk to start discussing F#, or some equivalent dilution of C's main competitors - and up it rises! On 15 April 2010 10:59, Fabrizio Giudici <[email protected]>wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 4/15/10 10:21 , Kevin Wright wrote: > > I think it's more that the results are relative... what proportion > > of the total websites does language X have as compared to all > > languages. (because we're really measuring how heavily each > > language is marketed here, not how heavily it's used) > > > > Simply adding new languages will then reduce the apparent > > contribution of the incumbents, even if absolute figures are > > growing. This is probably most visible when languages within a > > common plattform are compared. i.e. Java vs scala vs javafx vs ... > > / C# vs F# vs VB.net vs ... / etc. I guess this is why Java and > > C# appear to be dropping, they're now being joined on their > > respective platforms by other languages that are more > > productive/flexible for some scenarios. > > > > Lets face it, how many blogs and article do you see nowadays about > > this wonderful new "Java" language that someone's just discovered? > While I consider reasonable the data provided by Tiobe, I've three points: > > 1. It appears they consider language popularity using search engines. > But how? For instance, do they consider that when people talk about > popular frameworks such as Spring, JSF, Struts, Hibernate, etc... it's > highly possible that the Java word is not present in a web document; > still the document is implying the popularity of Java (if not at 100%, > as those frameworks can be used by other languages in the Java > ecosystem, by a huge degree). Of course, even other languages have got > their frameworks, but I don't think that there are so many as Java. > > 2. The "slow decline" is so slow, and (C apart) the only competitor > that is raising (C#) is so far that the break even is no closer than > several years. By that time, as a huge Java fan, I *do* hope that > another language has started replacing it! So, I'd say this trend is > the expected one for every successful technology. > > 3. I'm curious about the C trend. While it's clearly popular and will > be still popular because also of historic and popular reasons, it was > in steady decline up to 2008 (the apparent surge in 2004 is due to > some disturbances in the data sources, as explained by TIOBE in the > FAQs at the bottom of the page) but in 2008 it seems that there has > been a bounce. Why? > > > > > > - -- > Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager > Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." > java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people > [email protected] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkvG45sACgkQeDweFqgUGxfnwgCbB/Hmf/lgznF1bXHaP3dOFWNG > NSQAnjvNoO7LMr0hSLh79dR4JC5HWZp/ > =+mon > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: [email protected] wave: [email protected] skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
