On Aug 10, 9:51 am, Alexey Zinger <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think the exercise in generic ORM frameworks is largely a failure at this
> point.  

I hate ORM pretty much with a passion on most days, and yet I still
hesitate to call it a failure.  In fact, I would go so far as to say
that for the vast majority of small sites out there, I must admit that
they solve the problem more directly than people give them credit for.


< It's important to make sure the engineer
> listens to the scientist, but sometimes we have to let the engineer do his or
> her thing.  I find that with persistence solutions, it is all too easy to get
> into the trap of trying to distance yourself from the relational algebra for
> very subjective reasons only to pay a price for it later.  This thought may or
> may not have a bearing in the overall language discussion in this thread.

Now imagine if you could stay close to the relational algebra aspect
of the database, without having to lose type safety.  I again promote
Squeryl.

-josh

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