No thanks Rakesh.I want to discuss Java. We are from different worlds with different perceptions.
Please excuse if I ignore your non-informative emails henceforth. Just consider this as a bad habit of mine.. Bye & see you in other threads..Plenty to learn from everyone.. Thanks, jd On 8/19/10, Rakesh <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Jitesh. There is so much to know I wonder if its possible to > know it all.... > > Being frightfully attractive also has its downsides. Maybe it may be > possible to discuss further around Bernard Manning. > > Some elephants remember things for a long time they say. > > Rakesh > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:57 PM, jitesh dundas <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thanks Rakesh. My only concern would be to improve my work and knowledge. >> >> I guess being a village boy who faced hardships in gaining knowledge >> is reason for that... >> Heard of Dr Ambedkar or Gandhi by any chance. >> >> See you in other threads Rakesh..Anything informative to share lately >> my friend :).. >> >> Regards, >> JD >> >> On 8/19/10, Rakesh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> he's a machine goddamit! >>> >>> Congratulating Casper!!!! Classic!!! >>> >>> Rakesh >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 12:48 PM, jitesh dundas <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> Dear Kevin, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your reply. >>>> >>>> 'India has a large population, and therefore a large (absolute) number >>>> of Indians travel and work abroad. >>>> This is true, but what really counts is the *proportion* of Indians >>>> who travel abroad. The same logic must be applied to any metric, for >>>> any country.' >>>> ---- >>>> THE problem is that the CREAM goes abroad .The measurement of >>>> >>>> cream going abroad / total cream ..... >>>> >>>> for an activity X as you mentioned. >>>> >>>> You are right about me being careful. >>>> >>>> I am out of this thread.Moving to technical stuff.Rather discuss Java .. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the discussion Kevin.Learnt a lot! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> jd >>>> >>>> On 8/19/10, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> You've got to be be so careful with metrics of any kind comparing >>>>> countries. >>>>> Given any random activity X and country C then the number of people >>>>> from >>>>> C >>>>> who do X will be proportional to the population of C >>>>> >>>>> India has a large population, and therefore a large (absolute) number >>>>> of >>>>> Indians travel and work abroad. >>>>> This is true, but what really counts is the *proportion* of Indians who >>>>> travel abroad. The same logic must be applied to any metric, for any >>>>> country. >>>>> >>>>> The real outliers on any statistical analysis will be the small >>>>> countries, >>>>> usually because they have very, very different natures. >>>>> For example, does it even make sense to measure the average age of >>>>> leaving >>>>> education in the Vatican? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19 August 2010 12:23, jitesh dundas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Let us stop talkIng about people & discuss why does US have the >>>>>> largest number of nobel laureates.. >>>>>> >>>>>> a) India is beyond comparison ..cannot even imagine the level of >>>>>> work,though there is improvement..There are govt schemes to bring back >>>>>> scientists who went abroad.sigh..We are not self-sufficient.. >>>>>> b) USA has cultivated a liking for nobel laureates - an attractive >>>>>> option to think for any researcher.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let us find out the things that we could do better to make UK get more >>>>>> nobel laureates..and more later.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Education..quality of research..expert faculty.. >>>>>> And just FYI..the maximum number of students who go abroad (us) are >>>>>> Indians..why? ask yourself.it is not just money..It is career -the >>>>>> chance to do things that they cannot do here./ >>>>>> >>>>>> I just met a students who was unhappy as he didn't have facilities to >>>>>> persue his experiments! And we expect ourselves to win the nobel >>>>>> prizes.. >>>>>> Face facts..I am judging countries on parameters ..just one >>>>>> thing..nobel prizes..who and why.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Quality matters in science and not the number of people.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> jd >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/19/10, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > Yeah, Scandinavia pretty much has it right :) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > But it's so different in so many ways that I could never see the US >>>>>> making >>>>>> > that transition. >>>>>> > The latest health care reforms represent around 0.1% of what would >>>>>> > be >>>>>> > needed. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On 19 August 2010 11:25, Rakesh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> so which society has it right? I hear good things about Scandinavia >>>>>> >> or >>>>>> >> is that a myth? Or perhaps the Scandinavian model doesn't scale >>>>>> >> when >>>>>> >> you have 50 million+ people.... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rakesh >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Kevin Wright < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> > No argument about the UK there, I've worked out that living in >>>>>> >> > just >>>>>> the >>>>>> >> one >>>>>> >> > house with my fiance is financially stupid. >>>>>> >> > We just pretend to break up, then she moves into a new place, and >>>>>> >> > gets >>>>>> >> the >>>>>> >> > benefits system to pay her council tax, rent, etc. etc. >>>>>> >> > She'd even get cash thrown at her for being a single parent AND >>>>>> disabled >>>>>> >> > (she gets no disability benefit when living with me, as it's >>>>>> >> > means-tested >>>>>> >> > against my salary) >>>>>> >> > and I think even tax credits on top of her disability allowance, >>>>>> because >>>>>> >> > being disabled doesn't quite get classified as being jobless >>>>>> >> > Even I would be able to pay 25% less council tax, as a single >>>>>> resident. >>>>>> >> > Between the two of us, the net benefit would easily be over >>>>>> £1000/month >>>>>> >> > It does make me laugh when I hear government ministers rambling >>>>>> >> > on >>>>>> about >>>>>> >> how >>>>>> >> > they must encourage "family values" >>>>>> >> > It's quite simple, start paying people to stay in families, not >>>>>> >> > to >>>>>> break >>>>>> >> up >>>>>> >> > from them. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > On 19 August 2010 10:46, Carl Jokl <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Special Gmail rule? My goodness! It could have been any of us. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> *runs away screaming* >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> The US does seem to be the land of extremes. I visited Boston >>>>>> >> >> and >>>>>> >> >> liked it very much but had the impression Boston was one of the >>>>>> >> >> extremes and not typical. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> I see the UK as having the problem that its social welfare >>>>>> >> >> system >>>>>> >> >> has >>>>>> >> >> been totally abused from what it is supposed to do. Lots of >>>>>> >> >> things >>>>>> >> >> have been done in the name of closing the gap between rich and >>>>>> >> >> poor. >>>>>> >> >> In the end it seems like those who work hard and educate >>>>>> >> >> themselves >>>>>> >> >> get nothing (well no help at least, the UK really does nothing >>>>>> >> >> to >>>>>> look >>>>>> >> >> after its professionals and skilled people). There was a time >>>>>> >> >> i.e. >>>>>> >> >> industrial revolution where trying to even the wealth was >>>>>> >> >> prudent >>>>>> >> >> and >>>>>> >> >> worked out well. These days it feels like the professionals and >>>>>> >> >> those >>>>>> >> >> who work hard get taxed to death to pay for the people living on >>>>>> >> >> welfare. As a cruel twist of irony sometimes our professionals >>>>>> >> >> struggle to keep their heads above water while some individuals >>>>>> >> >> who >>>>>> do >>>>>> >> >> not go out to work at all can afford satellite TV and some >>>>>> >> >> luxuries >>>>>> >> >> which some of our struggling professionals cannot afford. The >>>>>> >> >> whole >>>>>> >> >> system doesn't seem to encourage people to be sensible and >>>>>> >> >> responsible. It is all very wrong. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> In spite of the US having high percentages of people in Jail >>>>>> >> >> count >>>>>> >> >> yourselves lucky that you can lock your criminals up. The UK >>>>>> >> >> prisons >>>>>> >> >> are full so people who really should be going to jail are either >>>>>> >> >> having sentences too short or punished some other way. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> "Well you did murder these people and I would like to send you >>>>>> >> >> to >>>>>> jail >>>>>> >> >> but unfortunately there is no room so we are going to slap you >>>>>> >> >> on >>>>>> >> >> the >>>>>> >> >> wrist and let you go." >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> I suppose it is no surprise that recently it was announced on >>>>>> >> >> the >>>>>> news >>>>>> >> >> that crime levels in the UK have overtaken those in the US. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> -- >>>>>> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>> >> >> Google >>>>>> >> Groups >>>>>> >> >> "The Java Posse" group. >>>>>> >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> >> >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>>> 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