On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Joe Nuxoll (Java Posse) wrote:

> I don't have time or energy to read this whole thread, and I'm quite
> sure we'll talk about this in our next recording (tonight), but I want
> to at least chime in with some simple thoughts:
> 
> 1) I think this means that Apple is scaling back their internal Java
> team to bare-bones.  They will not be working on the official "Mac OS
> X Java VM" any more.  As much as many Java folks will dislike this, it
> at least makes business sense for Apple to do this.

Sorry Joe, but I respectfully disagree. Companies do things all the time that 
are not profitable in order to attract profits else where. I think that 
abandoning Java developers is one of those things that will come back to bite 
them. I don't think Oracle was expecting this announcement.. or at least it 
appears that way in the contacts I've had with them. So, it's not clear that 
Oracle will be picking up the ball on this one. For sure life will go on but it 
seems as though Apple has put it's stock in the consumer market and it's 
working so good for them. But if it means abandoning developers who might 
dabble in Objective-C but now won't because that platform doesn't support their 
other development needs.. then they've potentially cut themselves off at the 
knees. This attitude, which is reminiscent of their attitude in the 80s.. and 
you see how far that got them.

Regards,
Kirk

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