The CCTV app I work on is used on Windows, Linux, Solaris and OS X. It's not in-house only, at all, and does get used by non-technical people.
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > Even with "most of" I doubt you're right. Point-by-Point: > > 1. Even if NetBeans had 100% of the IDE market, not that much changed. > As I already wrote in the OP, NetBeans runs just fine on non-apple > JVMs on macs. A little bit of spit and polish to deal with the new > X11.app based chrome would be a fine plan, but we're talking a man- > month or so of effort here, tops. Nothing like the serious effort that > would be required to port swing to cocoa (at least, if apple doesn't > contribute their work in this for their now deprecated JVMs to a > community effort or Oracle) - but as a backup, that option (porting > swing to cocoa) is there in addition to running netbeans on X11. You > could also port netbeans to SWT, but that's not going to happen. > > 2. Yes, swing is used far more than SWT. But that isn't the point. The > point is: A glass of water might be more than a thimble, but compared > to the ocean it's nothing either way. Same here: Nobody writes swing > apps with the intent to distribute it to apple consumers. Its either > used in-house (where apple has a tiny marketshare and you can probably > deal with the X11 chrome and installing a JVM), or only used by geeks > who are capable enough of installing a JVM and dealing with the odd > chrome. Don't mention azureus/Vuze, as that's SWT. > > 3. Without proof that the image manipulation libraries are > significantly slower on Macs on OpenJDK vs. on Macs on AppleVM, I > don't believe you. > > On Oct 27, 6:34 pm, Fabrizio Giudici <[email protected]> > wrote: >> On 10/27/2010 11:37 AM, Neil Bartlett wrote:> Hi Moandji, >> >> > Yes that's true, but I don't think that use case will be affected. >> > Those classes are not going to be removed. >> >> > If you'd like to supply a fragment of test code using AWT image >> > manipulation, I can verify that it works. >> >> My 90% was an hyperbole and I apologize for having used a number instead >> of a generic expression. In any case: >> >> 1. Two polls this year reported at 30-35% the percentage of NetBeans IDE >> users >> 2. I don't have numbers, but in my perspective Swing users are much more >> than SWT. It can be subjective. >> 3. AWT image manipulation would work on SoyLatte, but without any image >> acceleration or particular optimization. Furthermore, imaging >> implementations have very different performance figures in function of >> some parameter (e.g. the SampleModel) and the operating system. It's >> likely that people will have to re-tune their code. >> >> At last, yes, JVM has not vanished yesterday, but we know it will be >> vanished at a certain point, and almost surely for people who will >> upgrade to Lion next summer. For the rest, we're still speculating, but >> (JKoala apart) there's no news of anybody moving on to fill the gaps. >> >> -- >> f.g. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
