Im not, i only added my little bit because a lot of people seem to think the language is everything and imho fail to keep things in perspective when attempting to truely measure their productivity amongst other metrics when developing software.
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Kevin Wright <[email protected]>wrote: > Don't make the mistake of confusing the language with the platform. > Spring, Hibernate, etc. are available to any language running on the JVM, > just as ASP is available to any language running atop .NET. (this is one of > the main reasons for any new language to target the JVM) > > The inherent flexibility of the language (or lack thereof) is distinct from > the richness of the surrounding ecosystem. Not completely orthogonal of > course, there are always libraries that wouldn't exist if the available > language(s) didn't make them practical. > > Maybe the .NET ecosystem hasn't evolved a great deal, it's not something I > work with enough that I'd feel comfortable making that call, but the c# > language certainly *has* grown. Since version 1 it gained reified generics, > closures, linq, variance type annotations - much of this also relying on > corresponding changes in the underlying platform. > > On 15 November 2010 07:54, Miroslav Pokorny <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Has c# and dot net really grown ? If it has why is it when i need to solve >> a particular problem, there are always countless more options for the java >> developer when compared against the count for the dot net developer. Why are >> the c# devs which are supposedly more efficient, powerful always pretty much >> just porting some java library rather than inventing their own (think >> Hibernate, Spring)? I personally think it goes w/out saying all these extra >> goodies in c# dont really matter in the grand scheme of things. What is >> really important is the rest of the ecosystem which we take for granted and >> forget their real value. WIthout all those open source libraries (thanks the >> those who gave their work) we would stuck w/ something a lot less, trying to >> reinvent a poor copy of what those lucky java guys have available as a >> download from apache, sourceforge, googlecode and more. >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Casper Bang <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I can appreciate the less-is-more argument, but at the end of the day >>> C# still feels more pragmatic and you can move ahead faster. Some of >>> the arguments used against C# can also be used against Scala (not the >>> COM argument of course). The difference is that while C# has grown, >>> and developers grew with it, Java got stale and developers were forced >>> to live without certain fairly basic features or jump ship to other >>> languages. The optimal might be somewhere in between, but >>> unfortunately that language does not exist does it? >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Kevin Wright > > mail / gtalk / msn : [email protected] > pulse / skype: kev.lee.wright > twitter: @thecoda > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- mP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
