2011/6/2 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Kevin Wright <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> On 2 June 2011 13:04, phil swenson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think that for another language to seriously challenge Java on the >>> JVM it would need the following: >>> >>> - killer application (equivalent to Ruby on Rails for example) >>> >> >> Akka >> > > Not really, no. Akka is a nice technical achievement but it's certainly no > killer application, especially with the regular controversy that surrounds > actors whenever they get mentioned (I'm getting closer and closer to calling > them a fad, myself). > > Akka really is a lot more than just actors. It also provides interfaces to several message queue and NoSql platforms, STM, transactions, and dataflow concurrencym as well as Remoting.
In many ways, Akka is growing out of a humble actor library and is shaping out to be a general-purpose Scala toolkit, just as Spring started as a DI framework before becoming so much more. > > >> >> >>> - good IDE support >>> >> >> IntelliJ is absolutely production ready, beta releases of Eclipse support >> are catching up rapidly >> > > Seriously? Eclipse doesn't even import automatically, much less offers > refactoring or even reliable autocompletion. I haven't used Scala with IDEA > but from what I hear on #scala, it's not even close to production ready. > The current betas handle imports, refactoring and autocompletion. I look in on it from time to time, though I'll admit to being primarily an IntelliJ user. > >> >>> - major backer >>> >> >> Typesafe, Google, Twitter, LinkedIn, FourSquare, Amazon >> > > These are users, not backers (and Google doesn't use Scala, by the way). > Again, look at the sponsors: http://days2011.scala-lang.org/ CloudFoundry is part of VMWare, by the way. Recently mentioned for their Groovy backing. I can't really comment on Amazon's feelings about Scala, but know they've recently got much more into it in the UK. <http://days2011.scala-lang.org/> > And these other companies just use Scala on the fringe (Groovy is much more > popular). You can do the fact checking yourself, by the way: try to find job > reqs from either of these companies that explicitly say that the position is > for a Scala developer > > Anyway, I'll stop here, you are again repeating your tired Scala fan > arguments that we have heard over and over, and they are not any more > convincing now than they were before (actually, most of them are simply > factually incorrect). > > -- > Cédric > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Kevin Wright gtalk / msn : [email protected] <[email protected]>mail: [email protected] vibe / skype: kev.lee.wright quora: http://www.quora.com/Kevin-Wright twitter: @thecoda "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger" ~ Dijkstra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
