FWIW, If you want to see something that's "stuck", just look at the console
in windows.

Even the new-fangled power shell still runs in the same prehistoric window,
and the hacks needed in tools like JLine to do anything sensible with it are
simply mind-bending.

And don't even get me started on the pain of copying/pasting at the
console...


On 15 July 2011 15:19, PhilDin <philb%[email protected]> wrote:

> This rant seems awfully misplaced but I'm going to give the benefit of
> the doubt and assume it's not just trolling.
>
> Firstly, there is nothing unix-y about not handling archives. I seem
> to remember my KDE 2.0 desktop could do this using the ioslaves
> framework and that was around 2001. I would be very surprised if Gnome
> didn't have similar functionality.
>
> If OSX can't handle the specific format provided by eclipse then you
> might raise this with Apple for not supporting the format or with the
> Eclipse foundation for picking an unsupported format (unless you're
> saying that no archive format is supported by OSX but this seems
> unlikely to be the case) but to somehow connect this to Unix makes no
> sense. From the sound of it, your problem is that you have just
> started using a completely new OS and you haven't yet figured out how
> it works and so, have run into problems. This is hardly surprising, an
> operating system is a big complex system and not everything will work
> the way you expect it to first time.
>
> If you run into a problem, your best bet is to clearly describe the
> problem that you encountered (what error messages did you get, how did
> the observed behaviour differed from the expected behaviour). Simply
> saying that it didn't work doesn't give anyone the possibilty to help
> you even if they are inclined. In your case, your request opened with
> an assertion that Unix based systems (including OSX) were somehow
> *stuck*. Most users of such systems are unlikely to agree and by
> making such an assertion, you will have alienated the segment of the
> community most capable of helping you (by definition, people who don't
> like and/or use OSX are unlikely to be able to help you with OSX
> related problems).
>
> In summary, you may have encountered a genuinely frustrating issue but
> your posting is unlikely to serve you. For what it's worth, I don't
> use OSX so I don't have any specific recommendation for you but
> O'Reilly books tend to be reasonably good so that's the first place
> that I would check.
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Jul 15, 8:53 am, "Vince O'Sullivan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > This started out as a full page rant about the unintuitive Apple OS
> > and why we're still all - except MS - stuck with Unix this far into
> > the 21st century; but I've rewritten it and managed to boil it down to
> > the paragraph below...
> >
> > I bought my first Mac computer this week.  Whist I have a limited (but
> > working) knowledge of Unix, downloading and unpacking Eclipse has been
> > a total fail (it refuses to "unarchive" to the desktop, as per the
> > installation instructions).  Can anyone recommend a useful book or web
> > site that gives a good advanced introduction (sic) to iOS?
>
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