Or you could use Cygwin and never worry about such trivialities :)


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From: Kevin Wright <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Man in a Mac


FWIW, If you want to see something that's "stuck", just look at the console in 
windows.

Even the new-fangled power shell still runs in the same prehistoric window, and 
the hacks needed in tools like JLine to do anything sensible with it are simply 
mind-bending.

And don't even get me started on the pain of copying/pasting at the console...



On 15 July 2011 15:19, PhilDin <philb%[email protected]> wrote:

This rant seems awfully misplaced but I'm going to give the benefit of
>the doubt and assume it's not just trolling.
>
>Firstly, there is nothing unix-y about not handling archives. I seem
>to remember my KDE 2.0 desktop could do this using the ioslaves
>framework and that was around 2001. I would be very surprised if Gnome
>didn't have similar functionality.
>
>If OSX can't handle the specific format provided by eclipse then you
>might raise this with Apple for not supporting the format or with the
>Eclipse foundation for picking an unsupported format (unless you're
>saying that no archive format is supported by OSX but this seems
>unlikely to be the case) but to somehow connect this to Unix makes no
>sense. From the sound of it, your problem is that you have just
>started using a completely new OS and you haven't yet figured out how
>it works and so, have run into problems. This is hardly surprising, an
>operating system is a big complex system and not everything will work
>the way you expect it to first time.
>
>If you run into a problem, your best bet is to clearly describe the
>problem that you encountered (what error messages did you get, how did
>the observed behaviour differed from the expected behaviour). Simply
>saying that it didn't work doesn't give anyone the possibilty to help
>you even if they are inclined. In your case, your request opened with
>an assertion that Unix based systems (including OSX) were somehow
>*stuck*. Most users of such systems are unlikely to agree and by
>making such an assertion, you will have alienated the segment of the
>community most capable of helping you (by definition, people who don't
>like and/or use OSX are unlikely to be able to help you with OSX
>related problems).
>
>In summary, you may have encountered a genuinely frustrating issue but
>your posting is unlikely to serve you. For what it's worth, I don't
>use OSX so I don't have any specific recommendation for you but
>O'Reilly books tend to be reasonably good so that's the first place
>that I would check.
>
>Phil
>
>
>
>On Jul 15, 8:53 am, "Vince O'Sullivan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> This started out as a full page rant about the unintuitive Apple OS
>> and why we're still all - except MS - stuck with Unix this far into
>> the 21st century; but I've rewritten it and managed to boil it down to
>> the paragraph below...
>>
>> I bought my first Mac computer this week.  Whist I have a limited (but
>> working) knowledge of Unix, downloading and unpacking Eclipse has been
>> a total fail (it refuses to "unarchive" to the desktop, as per the
>> installation instructions).  Can anyone recommend a useful book or web
>> site that gives a good advanced introduction (sic) to iOS?
>
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