have really good programmers gotten so vain that good money isn't enough but the project must also be interesting?
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:17 PM, phil swenson <[email protected]>wrote: > I don't think not knowing a specific framework you are using means > anyone is a "junior developer" > > There are only about 294307030 different java frameworks to choose > from. Hire smart people who can cite some good coding principles. > Anyone decent can learn your framework choices. > > BTW, if you are using struts 1, anyone worth their salt would avoid > the job like the plague :) > > > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Steel City Phantom <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I work out of Pittsburgh. we have two world class universities about a > half > > hour down the road. Carnegie Mellon University's computer science > > department is one of the best in the world, and University of Pittsburgh > > isn't shabby either. so i have to ask, where are all the good java > > developers? > > we have been trying to staff out a project for 6 weeks now. every resume > we > > get is from people with 4-5 years experience. I do tech interviews on > them > > for the technologies we are using and its all the same, they have a vague > > understanding of how to use the technologies (spring, hibernate, struts, > > nothing major) work, but for my needs, that puts them in the class of jr > > developer. i need senior guys that have done this already, lived the > > learning curve, knows how to fix issues, knows how to squeeze every last > bit > > of functionality out of these technologies, and i can't find them. > > we are paying good market rates for these guys, so its not like we are > being > > cheap. i refuse to believe that Google swallowed all the good java guys > > when they opened their development center here in Pittsburgh a few years > > ago. > > its so bad that i had one candidate that i interviewed a few weeks ago. > he > > got irritated with me when i was drilling him on the technology. his > > actually had the huevos to say to me "I have a masters degree from CMU in > > computer science, i don't care what technology you are using, i can > figure > > it out and use it" to which i replied "that may be true, but that makes > you > > a junior developer in my eyes. as a senior developer, im not paying you > to > > figure it out, im paying you to step in and do it" he had 4 years > > experience writing web pages for a marketing firm. why the recruiter > even > > thought he would pass the test is still beyond me. > > where have all the good guys gone? is a 9-10 year experienced very > seasoned > > java guy really demanding salaries north of 90K now or what? > > > > -- > > You want it fast, cheap, or right. Pick two!! > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- You want it fast, cheap, or right. Pick two!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
