On Oct 20, 2011, at 9:22, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I might be misunderstanding something here, but I would never hire > someone who wouldn't share his knowledge because he wanted to stay > indispensable in the company. I don't mind being replaced, if my code > stays in production and can be maintained by someone else while I am > doing something else somewhere else, I consider that a success. I think you'll find people debating the latter point. That's precisely the problem of the original author. Or is it ? I totally agree with the first point. But neither would I work for an employer whose initial intend was to use- and then throw me away. I am a person. Not a piece of disposable hardware. If it wasn't agreed from the start, I would DO mind to be "replaced" ! > > Of course, I should be so lucky. It seems that there are more > applications in production that need maintenance than new applications > that need to be created, so I am mostly stuck writing small new parts > for existing applications, and I stay for years (I am a contractor). > The customer rarely has the time or inclination to sit down beside me > and share all my wisdom. If I want to create shiny new applications I > have to do it on my own time. That's certainly true for what is being called "consultants" in Europe. Which I'm very happy not being anymore. Consultant that is. :-) > > Aase > > > On Oct 17, 10:04 pm, "a.efremov" <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> To fund the company. It sounds so easy , but really very difficult in >> practice. Or even impossible. I did in past some dreams about it. >> Well, I spent my money on idea. (positive experience) Wrote code. And >> even if idea is good, and even if code is really fast and robust. >> well, working application. Business is different topic. Once you go on >> production you see a lot of questions not relevant to coding, >> obviously. Bottom line: you have to change your profession or keep >> doing what you really like :) you need to be ready for that step. >> >> Second, I'm not first day on a contract job. That's ok to work 6 >> months or even 4 years on a contract position till your boss needs >> you. >> You finish all and you move on. It makes no sense to keep the >> position, anyway there's nothing to write any more. >> >> But overtime I observe the different "pattern". I have feeling that >> people are after your experience and know-how. They prefer you spend >> "work time" sitting next to them and talking about how it works and >> what to do in that case and so on. asking you to be more chatty and >> write different type of papers about. And all that after 1 month. >> Aiming to get maximum "how to do" from you about particular topic + >> working code base. Good idea. >> >> if companies are protected by low. patents + other top secret stuff. >> Should programmer disclose his own "how-to"s? remembering how long it >> takes, tons of books, variety of conferences, people, articles. >> Don't need VSM to see a strait line btw "doing the job" and >> "transferring knowledge" to help put you out as soon as possible. >> >> On Oct 17, 9:06 am, Shaine Ismail <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Depends on the nature and terms of the contract. A previous contract I >>> signed assigned any ip and code I developed to be the property of the >>> company (even stuff I worked on in my own time). >> >>> Regards >>> Shaine Ismail >>> On Oct 17, 2011 7:01 AM, "Jan Goyvaerts" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> I'm having a hard time to believe someone can take it that way. UNLESS it >>>> was agreed upfront the contract was for a specific task only. In that case >>>> you knew they'll end it once it was done. >> >>>> But it doesn't look like that's the case here. Or was it ? >> >>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 04:37, Michael Burgess >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Alexander, >> >>>>> While I understand your frustration, this seems like a reasonable way >>>>> to get something done. >> >>>>> Let me explain, I once worked for a someone in the medical industry >>>>> who had a great idea for manufacturing parts. Now, he had no expertise >>>>> in manufacturing or software development, but what he did was find the >>>>> resources, like software engineers and CAD/CAM experts which he >>>>> contracted to develop a system to perform this new process. >> >>>>> This job was fun, interesting and challenging and I got to work in >>>>> areas I previously hadn't. >> >>>>> Once the software was in production and the tooling was perfected he >>>>> stopped using expensive contractors and found someone more affordable >>>>> and able to build on the foundations we put together. >> >>>>> Last I heard the business is doing well. Now he paid us for our >>>>> services to implement his idea. We contributed and made improvements >>>>> to what he was trying to do, but we weren't business partners or >>>>> owners, we were the hammer and nails to get his job done. >> >>>>> If you want to get the benefits, come up with the idea, fund it, and, >>>>> assuming success, enjoy the fruits of your labor. >> >>>>> I guess what I am saying is that just because someone cannot >>>>> personally implement the solution to a particular problem, what is >>>>> wrong with them getting someone like yourself in for a short time to >>>>> help solve that problem. >> >>>>> Michael >> >>>>> On Oct 17, 6:35 am, "a.efremov" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> It smells as modern days stilling, people promise you contract job and >>>>>> interesting work, load you 10h/day. then simply run away with your >>>>>> results. Well, you got a bit of money for that. That's not so bad. >>>>>> What to do, keep mouth locked and let them do anything with code base. >>>>>> Finish code and go away. >> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "The Java Posse" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "The Java Posse" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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