Agile would be my first level filter and then I would need work out if it was 'real' agile or 'cargo cult' agile.
A company that is great that does not do agile? Interesting thought but does not match my experience. Rakesh On 3 December 2011 00:04, Ricky Clarkson <[email protected]> wrote: > What I mean is that I think you could filter out some great companies and > include some terrible ones if you look for the word Agile. > > I'm not criticising you. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rakesh <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 23:08:35 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] is a digital marketing company the place for > keen developers? > > not sure if you are being critical about something I said. Can you elaborate? > > Rakesh > > On 2 December 2011 21:58, Ricky Clarkson <[email protected]> wrote: >> I'd rather work for a company that was, erm, agile enough to use what seemed >> right for the project rather than sticking blindly to one technique. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rakesh <[email protected]> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 22:18:23 >> To: <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] is a digital marketing company the place for >> keen developers? >> >> "is a digital marketing company the place for keen developers?" >> >> I think you cannot pre-judge based on industry/type of company. >> >> I currently work for one of the largest broadcasters in the UK. They >> say they are agile but internally, they are not. >> >> However, I worked in another division of the same company a few years >> ago and it was the most cutting-edge, agile environment I have ever >> worked in and I learned loads. >> >> This time last year I had just joined a finance payments company whose >> sole reason for being was the software they developed. It was pure >> waterfall, code and fix, throw more offshore resource - type place. I >> hated it and vowed only too work for agile companies going forward. >> >> I joined my current company, assuming they 'got' agile and now, even >> though I have made some changes for the better, I have decided to move >> on and look for a truly agile company. >> >> Now the issue then became how to know a company is truly agile before >> you get there. My plan is to interview THEM. I'm working on a list of >> questions to ask to truly get to understand whether they 'get' it or >> are just giving it lip service. >> >> Sorry for the ramble, but this thread came along at a coincidental >> moment with deciding to look for another contract, reading James >> Shores' diary (recommended) and Martin Fowlers' statement ringing in >> my ears: >> >> "Change your organisation or change your organisation". >> >> Rakesh >> >> >> >> On 1 December 2011 21:57, Marco F. <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> this may sound yet-another venting kind of post, and if it does sound like >>> that to you, please stop reading. sorry to waste time. >>> >>> if you're still here, good… i'll try not to wast too much of your time. >>> >>> i'm a java developer at a big international digital marketing firm. >>> i've been working here for 14 months now. >>> >>> before this, i was a java developer at another big and international >>> digital marketing firm. >>> worked there for 2 and half here. >>> >>> (before that, i worked for accenture for a short while. it was my first job >>> ever after university). >>> >>> i grew a lot (professionally) working for these 2 firms mostly from >>> "passing-by" mentor-workmates (was never enrolled a single course or >>> workshop or anything). >>> but i've always been the youngest (31) and so I was always on the developer >>> side rather than the architect one. fine. >>> >>> both companies seriously look the same when it comes to the >>> non-creative-fluffy-marketing work. >>> >>> i feel like i've been working on the same project! >>> it was either: >>> - the same old CMS (i dare you name one that's sleek, light and has a great >>> UI), >>> - soap-ws to allow third party to use our services and do stuff, >>> - (recently) a very nice RESTful application (it basically replace the >>> previous one). >>> >>> i tend to be a very active professional, so during these years, i've been >>> the one saying "hey let's try nosql!" or even "let's switch to logback" and >>> so on. >>> >>> success rate? zero. >>> >>> so lately i've been feeling very frustrated. >>> looks to me like tech dpt. of companies like these does not want to focus >>> on being innovative and one step ahead of the usual system integrators. >>> >>> i told my boss we should be focusing on doing cutting-edge stuff like >>> tweet-monitoring and social stuff integration or HTML5 craziness but what >>> did i get? "yeah sure…. now update those two users emails on production db >>> and check on that tomcat… we'll talk about that later". >>> >>> recently, i've been studying a lot on many different areas (tdd, agile, >>> responsive web design and so on). >>> all of this was done at home or stealing time from stupid (yes, i mean it) >>> tasks that could be automated but no one has ever asked my team to do. (we >>> seriously manually update users' emails) >>> >>> so i'm asking, is this a common situation in companies like these? >>> feels like when technology is not core-business (which is very arguably the >>> case, if you ask me) tech dpt. lack its necessary push to go forward. >>> >>> what's even worse is that tech guys dry out an die inside and so newcomers >>> only "normally interested" in what's going on like me end up like the only >>> luke skywalker at a star wars themed party. >>> >>> i have been contacted by so many consulting firms, but i do like hanging >>> around creative guys, producing stuff for the web and seeing the whole >>> structure. i'm sure these firms would push the pedal more on what i might >>> be doing (four letter: java) but i'm afraid i'll miss the photoshop layers >>> and hexadecimal colors. >>> >>> sorry to have bothered you. >>> >>> -m >>> >>> ps: the posse's always an inspiring thing. thank you guys. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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