Mulesoft might be an example, but other than that you can have companies that write unit tests, use CI, etc., but avoid continuous deployment because updating installations is expensive or impossible.
E.g., just try 'doing agile' when the customer is Boeing. It quite literally won't fly. For another example, software that runs on systems that are deliberately kept off the Internet such as security cameras. -----Original Message----- From: Rakesh <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:43:08 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] is a digital marketing company the place for keen developers? Agile would be my first level filter and then I would need work out if it was 'real' agile or 'cargo cult' agile. A company that is great that does not do agile? Interesting thought but does not match my experience. Rakesh On 3 December 2011 00:04, Ricky Clarkson <[email protected]> wrote: > What I mean is that I think you could filter out some great companies and > include some terrible ones if you look for the word Agile. > > I'm not criticising you. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rakesh <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 23:08:35 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] is a digital marketing company the place for > keen developers? > > not sure if you are being critical about something I said. Can you elaborate? > > Rakesh > > On 2 December 2011 21:58, Ricky Clarkson <[email protected]> wrote: >> I'd rather work for a company that was, erm, agile enough to use what seemed >> right for the project rather than sticking blindly to one technique. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rakesh <[email protected]> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 22:18:23 >> To: <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] is a digital marketing company the place for >> keen developers? >> >> "is a digital marketing company the place for keen developers?" >> >> I think you cannot pre-judge based on industry/type of company. >> >> I currently work for one of the largest broadcasters in the UK. They >> say they are agile but internally, they are not. >> >> However, I worked in another division of the same company a few years >> ago and it was the most cutting-edge, agile environment I have ever >> worked in and I learned loads. >> >> This time last year I had just joined a finance payments company whose >> sole reason for being was the software they developed. It was pure >> waterfall, code and fix, throw more offshore resource - type place. I >> hated it and vowed only too work for agile companies going forward. >> >> I joined my current company, assuming they 'got' agile and now, even >> though I have made some changes for the better, I have decided to move >> on and look for a truly agile company. >> >> Now the issue then became how to know a company is truly agile before >> you get there. My plan is to interview THEM. I'm working on a list of >> questions to ask to truly get to understand whether they 'get' it or >> are just giving it lip service. >> >> Sorry for the ramble, but this thread came along at a coincidental >> moment with deciding to look for another contract, reading James >> Shores' diary (recommended) and Martin Fowlers' statement ringing in >> my ears: >> >> "Change your organisation or change your organisation". >> >> Rakesh >> >> >> >> On 1 December 2011 21:57, Marco F. <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> this may sound yet-another venting kind of post, and if it does sound like >>> that to you, please stop reading. sorry to waste time. >>> >>> if you're still here, good… i'll try not to wast too much of your time. >>> >>> i'm a java developer at a big international digital marketing firm. >>> i've been working here for 14 months now. >>> >>> before this, i was a java developer at another big and international >>> digital marketing firm. >>> worked there for 2 and half here. >>> >>> (before that, i worked for accenture for a short while. it was my first job >>> ever after university). >>> >>> i grew a lot (professionally) working for these 2 firms mostly from >>> "passing-by" mentor-workmates (was never enrolled a single course or >>> workshop or anything). >>> but i've always been the youngest (31) and so I was always on the developer >>> side rather than the architect one. fine. >>> >>> both companies seriously look the same when it comes to the >>> non-creative-fluffy-marketing work. >>> >>> i feel like i've been working on the same project! >>> it was either: >>> - the same old CMS (i dare you name one that's sleek, light and has a great >>> UI), >>> - soap-ws to allow third party to use our services and do stuff, >>> - (recently) a very nice RESTful application (it basically replace the >>> previous one). >>> >>> i tend to be a very active professional, so during these years, i've been >>> the one saying "hey let's try nosql!" or even "let's switch to logback" and >>> so on. >>> >>> success rate? zero. >>> >>> so lately i've been feeling very frustrated. >>> looks to me like tech dpt. of companies like these does not want to focus >>> on being innovative and one step ahead of the usual system integrators. >>> >>> i told my boss we should be focusing on doing cutting-edge stuff like >>> tweet-monitoring and social stuff integration or HTML5 craziness but what >>> did i get? "yeah sure…. now update those two users emails on production db >>> and check on that tomcat… we'll talk about that later". >>> >>> recently, i've been studying a lot on many different areas (tdd, agile, >>> responsive web design and so on). >>> all of this was done at home or stealing time from stupid (yes, i mean it) >>> tasks that could be automated but no one has ever asked my team to do. (we >>> seriously manually update users' emails) >>> >>> so i'm asking, is this a common situation in companies like these? >>> feels like when technology is not core-business (which is very arguably the >>> case, if you ask me) tech dpt. lack its necessary push to go forward. >>> >>> what's even worse is that tech guys dry out an die inside and so newcomers >>> only "normally interested" in what's going on like me end up like the only >>> luke skywalker at a star wars themed party. >>> >>> i have been contacted by so many consulting firms, but i do like hanging >>> around creative guys, producing stuff for the web and seeing the whole >>> structure. i'm sure these firms would push the pedal more on what i might >>> be doing (four letter: java) but i'm afraid i'll miss the photoshop layers >>> and hexadecimal colors. >>> >>> sorry to have bothered you. >>> >>> -m >>> >>> ps: the posse's always an inspiring thing. thank you guys. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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