On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:10:29 +0200, Fernando Cassia <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:42, Fabrizio Giudici
<[email protected]> wrote:
since you're mentioning the fact that Java is being used to develop
software. This is very true, but the OP was talking about the _end
user_'s
perspective
You're saying that because I mentioned jEdit and Netbeans in my list
of apps?. Remove those then. There's 15+ other flagship Java apps in
my list, and all are end-user related, not development tools.
Do you have the figures of the spread of any of those applications?
Because I really don't see the typical end user (my parents, or my
nephews/nieces who aren't interested in programming) aware of most of them
(indeed, you could rather include Cyberduck which is a bit more popular).
I repeat: your list is a valid point that the end-user Java applications
are not *zero*, as many say, but unfortunately the real spread is not much
higher.
For what concerns embedding a JRE, I share many doubts with you (and yes,
Josh, it's a potential security issue all the way, even more complex, but
I understand that from a o.s. manufacturer point of view it's very
different to see people advicing "remove Java from Mac OS X because it's
dangerous", and then people blame Apple, rather than e.g. "remove
Cyberduck because it's dangerous", and then people blame the application
author), but as a matter of fact the JRE is no more in Windows since a
long time and if you want to distribute your stuff through the Apple Store
(which will become the most relevant software source for Mac end users)
you are *forced* to embed a JRE as per Apple's rules. Linux is 1% of
desktops, so it's clearly not relevant for end users.
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