On 15 May 2012 07:55, Fabrizio Giudici <[email protected]>wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2012 08:25:35 +0200, Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Really? I certainly don't approve of everything that Oracle has done >> regarding Java since they took over, but it's hard to argue against the >> fact that they pulled off in one year what Sun wasn't able to achieve in >> five: release a new major version of the JDK. >> > > Agreed. Let's not forget that now we also have a (Open)JDK 7 for Mac OS X, > aligned with other versions. It might not be that relevant given that a > minuscule fraction of developers use Mac OS X, but Oracle solved a decade > long problem. > > The overall fraction may be low, but it's significant. Attend almost any developer conference and take a look at the laptops in use, a 50:50 ratio of MacBooks to other brands is not common, perhaps even higher amongst speakers. I'm quite sure that this has already had a negative impact on JavaFX 2.0. Take those people tho are best known for exploring new technologies, who are eager to then embrace some of them, to then stand up and talk about their experiences. Then release a new tech and tell these people that it wont run on their platform, yet. Then be vague about the release date. Then give them a crippled 32-bit version. Then brace yourself for a total and utter lack of mainstream interest. Never underestimate the minuscule fractions. > > More or less yes, and I think it's pretty telling that in the last half a >> >>> decade alternative languages on the JVM went from being a silly >>> theoretical exercise to a necessity. >>> >>> >> According to whom or what? Not a single one of these alternative languages >> has managed to make even a small dent in Java's dominance. Groovy seems to >> be the number two language on the JVM with a single digit percent in mind >> share, followed by Scala with an even smaller portion. >> > > Correct. Additionally, if more languages were a strict necessity to > replace Java, not only Java would have been passed, but you'd get a single > alternative language dominance. Instead, you have many. That's why I think > it's a normal dynamic of people innovating the scenario and I think it's > great that this mostly happens in the community. > > To answer the original question about .Net vs Java communities, we could > ask ourselves: how many of the good things (languages, tools, practices) > people are using now (in both communities) originated out of the former and > the latter community? > > > > -- > Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager > Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." > [email protected] > http://tidalwave.it - http://fabriziogiudici.it > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscribe@** > googlegroups.com <javaposse%[email protected]>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/javaposse?hl=en <http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en>. > > -- Kevin Wright mail: [email protected] gtalk / msn : [email protected] quora: http://www.quora.com/Kevin-Wright google+: http://gplus.to/thecoda <[email protected]> twitter: @thecoda vibe / skype: kev.lee.wright steam: kev_lee_wright "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger" ~ Dijkstra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
