On 15 May 2012 09:50, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 15 May 2012 07:55, Fabrizio Giudici <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On Tue, 15 May 2012 08:25:35 +0200, Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> Really? I certainly don't approve of everything that Oracle has done >>> regarding Java since they took over, but it's hard to argue against the >>> fact that they pulled off in one year what Sun wasn't able to achieve in >>> five: release a new major version of the JDK. >>> >> >> Agreed. Let's not forget that now we also have a (Open)JDK 7 for Mac OS >> X, aligned with other versions. It might not be that relevant given that a >> minuscule fraction of developers use Mac OS X, but Oracle solved a decade >> long problem. >> >> > The overall fraction may be low, but it's significant. Attend almost any > developer conference and take a look at the laptops in use, a 50:50 ratio > of MacBooks to other brands is not common, perhaps even higher amongst > speakers. >
That should, of course, have read: "a 50:50 ratio of MacBooks to other brands is not UNcommon" > I'm quite sure that this has already had a negative impact on JavaFX 2.0. > Take those people tho are best known for exploring new technologies, who > are eager to then embrace some of them, to then stand up and talk about > their experiences. Then release a new tech and tell these people that it > wont run on their platform, yet. Then be vague about the release date. > Then give them a crippled 32-bit version. Then brace yourself for a total > and utter lack of mainstream interest. > > Never underestimate the minuscule fractions. > > > > >> >> More or less yes, and I think it's pretty telling that in the last half a >>> >>>> decade alternative languages on the JVM went from being a silly >>>> theoretical exercise to a necessity. >>>> >>>> >>> According to whom or what? Not a single one of these alternative >>> languages >>> has managed to make even a small dent in Java's dominance. Groovy seems >>> to >>> be the number two language on the JVM with a single digit percent in mind >>> share, followed by Scala with an even smaller portion. >>> >> >> Correct. Additionally, if more languages were a strict necessity to >> replace Java, not only Java would have been passed, but you'd get a single >> alternative language dominance. Instead, you have many. That's why I think >> it's a normal dynamic of people innovating the scenario and I think it's >> great that this mostly happens in the community. >> >> To answer the original question about .Net vs Java communities, we could >> ask ourselves: how many of the good things (languages, tools, practices) >> people are using now (in both communities) originated out of the former and >> the latter community? >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
