Removing the classpath is not a part of the proposal. Java is not intended to break over time. On Aug 30, 2012 12:35 PM, "Thomas Matthijs" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I always figured that anyone who wanted lambdas that much would be > sailing > > the choppy JVM waters on a differently lingual boat by now. It's not as > > though you even have to change your ops infrastructure or much of your > > tooling to do so. > > If it was up to me sure, but convincing my coworkers :x, in the end > everyone on the team needs to be able to understand/fix any part of > our codebase, (guess you'll tell me to find another job). > It's a lot easier to push an upgrade to java x through then to teach > them scala/.../.. (along with their tooling for compiling, IDE setup, > etc ) > > > (hint: rename scala.jar/clojure.jar/groovy.jar/whatever.jar to > > apache-closures.jar, release your project binaries as you always did. > Don't > > make a song and dance about it, it's easier to ask forgiveness than to > > request permission) > > > > Jigsaw on the other hand... That means distinctions like SE/ME can be > done > > away with, long-deprecated code can finally be removed, startup time, > > download time, and memory foot print can be reduced, etc. It makes Java > far > > more suitable for running on something like the Raspberry Pi. These are > > cross-cutting concerns that benefit all languages on the Java platform. > > I think most of us are using java server side, where none of these > things matter at all, i don't even think it starts up slow. > Sure it can help with very limited jarhell with like xerces/jaxb etc, > but for the average joe these things have been solved long ago or our > application wouldn't function at all. > > Also if jigsaw is in the same release as lambdas and the classpath no > longer exists and all tools/scripts/whatever need to be updated, this > will make it a lot hander to push the upgrade to that java version > through, and delay when I can use the other new shinies even longer. > > However if you already jumped ship to an alternative jvm language, > there is not much in java8 for you, so i understand those people > pushing hard to get jigsaw in it. > > > > > Defender methods and method handles are also just plain awesome. Even > > without lambdas, I'd fully expect some powerful optimisations to be > realised > > on top of those two. > > I kind of lump those together with lambdas :) > > > > > > > > > > > On 30 August 2012 15:57, Thomas Matthijs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Ricky Clarkson > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I want my lambdas now and I'm in a job where using non-Java languages > >> > will be a difficult sell. The earlier the release the better for me. > >> > > >> > I've seen classpath hell exactly once, actually in a current project, > >> > and plan to deal with it in a different way - attempting to > >> > find/create a combination of libraries that don't have version > >> > conflicts, and where that is not possible, moving tasks out of the > >> > same JVM process. > >> > > >> > The other benefit would be JVM startup time, which is less and less an > >> > issue each year as machines get faster and Java doesn't get bigger. > >> > I'd like to see the startup time be improved further, but lambdas will > >> > affect me more than cutting down startup from 5 seconds to 1. > >> > > >> > >> > >> I agree fully, jigsaw won't fix any problem i currently have, lambdas > >> on the other hand would be very beneficial > >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
