dammit! wish i could retract my snark.  It's in your quote.  sorry

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:00 AM, phil swenson <[email protected]> wrote:

> This covers it more completely:
>
>
> http://obamapacman.com/2010/03/myth-copyright-theft-apple-stole-gui-from-xerox-parc-alto/
>
> Cedric - Xerox lost their lawsuit.  Somehow you forgot to mention that.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:50 AM, [email protected] <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "In return for the right to buy US$1,000,000 of 
>>> pre-IPO<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPO>stock, Xerox granted Apple 
>>> Computer three days access to the PARC
>>> facilities. After visiting PARC, they came away with new ideas that would
>>> complete the foundation for Apple Computer's first 
>>> GUI<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUI>computer, the Apple
>>> Lisa 
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lisa>.[9]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.#cite_note-8>
>>> [10] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.#cite_note-9>[11
>>> ] 
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.#cite_note-10>[12]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.#cite_note-11>
>>> "
>>
>>
>> Paying for the right to visit is not the same as buying a license to use
>> what you see.
>>
>> And indeed, Xerox ended up suing Apple:
>>
>> "In the midst of the *Apple v. Microsoft* lawsuit, 
>> Xerox<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox> also
>> sued Apple alleging that Mac's GUI was heavily based on Xerox's" 
>> (source<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation>
>> ).
>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> "Xerox's lawsuit appeared to be a defensive move to ensure that if *Apple
>> v. Microsoft*established that "look and feel" was copyrightable, then
>> Xerox would be the primary beneficiary, rather than Apple. The Xerox case was
>> dismissed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARC_(company)#Adoption_by_Apple>,
>> for a variety of legal reasons"
>>
>>
>> It's pretty clear how Xerox felt about Apple stealing their ideas.
>>
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>> Cédric
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