I might have embraced virtual ribbons had I been new to Word but I had been using Word and Outlook 2007 for several years before they appeared and not having the ability to use shortcut keys my brain used automatically was the reason I turned them off and have never been tempted to use them again. I learned the ribbons from Jaws Help and extra training files early on and being able to type control E and have text centered for example instead of finding it in menus or even on the ribbons worked and was faster. Production was a keyword in my employment so the shortest way to accomplish something was a byword.
I can see using the virtual ribbons for newbies or for someone who does not have to be concerned about time constraints. They were added for good reason for many users. I am not saying they should never be used, but, I do suggest one learn the ribbons and then decide which works best for their needs. The help system (not installed on my current computer because I can't figure out why Windows 10 won't allow me to get them off the CD) (have not tried too hard) are extremely well written and narrated. Use them. Then decide what options meet with your style of working. No one of us has the right answer for you. Your style is unique, you made the decisions but read about both at least is my humble opinion. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Moi? Well, then either that was the one and only time I've been wrong, or as you say, things have changed. Take your pick. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:02 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Richardson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ...... Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. 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