Hello, humberto. That was a very nice post; cheers. I do understand the cyclical, or, as you say, balance, you are speaking of. I wasn't using JAWS in 1989 because at that time I was a youngster, and had an Apple 2 E computer. I do remember getting my first MSDOS computer, a Toshiba laptop with a Navigator serial braille display. I loved that thing, but by then Windows 3.1 was already the up and coming thing and more and more I got the "this program requires Microsoft Windows" message, and yes, that was an equally frustrating experience. My first uses of the Internet were via telnet and a Linux shell. I have not heard of Webie until now, but I sure remember Links, the text-based web browser that I used through the shell. If that thing works in windows 7, it should probably function on my Win 10 machine; maybe I will give it a try. I wonder how good the security is though. And of course, there's still Chrome, which I have and may as well get used to using. It's probably going to become the nicest mainstream browser for JAWS users in a short time. So yes, it's not all doom and gloom. Thanks for the positive outlook.
-----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez Sent: October 25, 2017 9:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox Quantum is coming, and it doesn't like screen-readers Hello young Casey: I am more than twice your age, began using computers with IBM DOS and MS DOS, also Pick OS, the precursor of SQL, began using JAWS in 1989 with its DOS 1.0 version, when through the horrible beginning of Windows when it was totally inaccessible to us (until version 3.1), remember when we thought a 300 BAUD modem and the IBM AT (286) were super fast, the opening of the Internet with Windows 95 but not for us until Arkenstone shared with Henter-Joyce the way to access the OSM and HJ came out with JFW, many subsequent terrifying changes; it is normal to resist them and now that they seem to proliferate as a geometric progression, it is becoming much more difficult to catch up. It is an act of balance, sometimes things become more difficult for a while, but eventually somebody figures out a solution, there are many smart people out there. Just think where would we be if Ted Henter had not lost his eyesight. Have patience, things will work out, granted, not as fast as we would like, but they will nevertheless. Have you heard of a text-based browser called WebIE? It was written by Dr. Alasdair King from England , years ago and was totally accessible, very fast. I have not tried it with Windows 10, but used to work with Windows 7, so it probably works with Windows 10 as well. You might give it a tryand see. He has other excellent programs, notable Accessible Potcatcher, all free. Regards, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:57 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox Quantum is coming, and it doesn't like screen-readers So.. Has anyone Hey folks. Haven't seen any discussion about this yet. On another list, someone posted an article about this, which I cannot seem to find the URL for, but if people are interested I guess I could cross-post it. In brief: Firefox Quantum has a new "multiprocessing" approach that means it will be twice as fast for everyone else, but it will not play nicely with JAWS or other screen-readers. We're essentially at the same stage now (or will be come November) as we are with Edge, in that it's going to be a work in progress for quite some time, and from what I've read, it may be difficult to continue implementing the virtual buffer concept. This is, to me, annoying to say the least, as I use Firefox all the time and have been really happy with it up til now. I also think the virutal buffer a great innovation for web browsing and would hate to give it up, unless a better alternative was developed. Has anyone thoughts on this? I used to laugh at "old people" (in quotes there, in case you have punctuation set to "some" or "none") who moaned about things changing too fast and that they couldn't keep up. Now, at 37, I'm feeling the bite. I'm happy to no longer be using Windows XP, yet it seems like every month (since getting Windows 10 and JAWS 18 in particular), there's some new thing I have to fix that wasn't broken before; some time I have to spend figuring a workaround to one thing or another, or a doomful press release about how I won't be able to use this-or-that once a certain update happens. Fortunately, for us Firefox users, I guess we can still install the ESR (Extended Support Release) of the browser, and get security updates, without a Quantum upgrade, until sometime in 2018. Guess I'll be doing that, then! For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
