The only negative comment I have in using JMX is that the PHP community may
have a tough time switching over to Nukes on JBoss if you have to have a
package structure like a SAR or a WAR.  I hate to say it, but does it need
to be "dumbed-down" for the PHP community?  This type of community needs to
be able to edit a JSP and immediately see the change on the webserver.  Is
it possible to be all JSP based for themes, modules and blocks?  You could
use a URL fragement and JSP:Include to decide what theme to use.

Just a thought.  Maybe JMX and such is the way to go.  Just want to give you
something to think about.

Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> julien viet
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:31 AM
> To: SourceForge.net
> Subject: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev
>
>
> hi folks,
>
>  JNuke adventure has started.
> After analysis of PostNuke I've began the development, still early though.
>
>  I keep everything that's good in PostNuke and throw all the shit away :
>
>  modules, blocks, permissions system, url system and themes.
>
>  JMX is used for PostNuke components : themes,
> modules and blocks are all JMX mbeans. Here are my reasons :
>
>  A : general
>
>  1.we need a component structure, why not JMX ? after all
>    another forum say that's lightweight.
>
>  2.theses components do not have to scale, i.e the number of modules,
>    blocks and themes is very small.
>
>  B : for modules
>
>  1.Ability to deploy/undeploy when application is running.
>
>  2.It's easy to deploy additional modules as a separate deployment and
>    have them register in the same registry.
>
>  3.PostNuke is all about invoking module functions.
>    Url like index.php?module=User&op=register means
>    that the PN must call the method register on module User.
>    For me that means that the servlet retrieves the mbean
>    under the name jnuke:publicmodules:name=User
>    and invokes the operation register().
>
>  4.When a module is installed and configured it plug
>    block mbeans in the JMX.
>
>  C : for blocks, same reasons as above except 3 and 4
>      as invocation is typed for 3.
>
>  D : for themes, same reasons as above except 3 and 4
>      as invocation is typed for 3.
>
>
>  EJB are used for the model :
>
>  UserEJB, GroupEJB, UserPermissionEJB, UserGroupEJB will
> be CMP 2.0 beans. We'll use local invocations and same trick
> as in forum to make them faster. Plus more beans.
>
>  Each module is made of :
>
>  1.ModuleMBean : is the module itself, does not provide fucntionnalities,
>   it's used to manager the PublicModule. Main operations are lifecycle
>   (initialize, activate, unactivate, uninitialize)
>
>  2.PublicModuleMBean : is created when ModuleMBean activates and is
>    responsible for serving requests. The MBean is dynamic and operations
>    with no arguments and no returns are served.
>
>   It's up to the module to do as he wants : if he wants MVC it can, it
>   it wants to mix HTML and code, it can. First modules won't be MVC
>   as they simply don't need.
>
>   It's up to the model to have the persistence mecanisms it wants. First
>   modules will use EJB. With lifecycle operations, each module can install
>   itself, for instance :
>
>   a ModuleMBean is plugged :
>   1.module configuration, setup of variables
>   2.initialize : module can creates table, deploy EJB, plugs block.
>   3.activate : module
>   then go to block admin and creates instances of blocks (if module
>   use blocks), display them on the page.
>
>  Each block is made of :
>
>  1.BlockMBean : manages BlockInstanceMBean.
>  2.BlockInstanceMBean : is a block instance, it contains a title
> and a position
>    on web page + 3 operations : display(), edit(), update().
>    display() : displays the block instance
>    edit() : used to edit the block in block administration
>    update() : used to upate the block in block admin
>
>  Each them is made of various callbacks that displays HTML on the page.
>  It has to provide location of files like css, gifs, etc...
>  THe first them I did is made of a servlet that register to JMX
>  and the doGet operation serves the files. It's default theme.
>  To make the thing simpler, it will be possible to make theme with JSP
>  because I want to keep post nuke spirit.
>
>  Ideally, even Module and Blocks could be made as JSP of things
> like that, that keeps
>  PHP easy to do spirit.
>
>  I did not thought a lot about permissions. In PostNuke, each
> module is responsible
>  for checking security. I know that could be done with AOP but I
> don't know if it's
>  gonna now, later or never :-)
>
>  One problem is the configuration persistence. I don't know how
> our JMX implementation
> is far there. But if there is a restart, all config must be
> re-done. JMX persistence
> will save us there. Even though it's plain file and not JDBC.
>
>  I will check out later (now it's a true mess), but I can say what works :
>  Themes + default theme is done
>  block
>  modules and module invocation.
>  That means that yes, it displays me something that's nice to watch
>  and I can invoke some operations although it's very early.
>
>  So now, I am going back to code because time matters.
>
> julien
>
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