JBossNuke ? > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > julien viet > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 12:35 PM > To: Bill Burke > Subject: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > > > ok, do you have a name shorter though ? just nuke for instance ? > > BB> Again, > > BB> The type of developer writing content is usually a different > calaber than > BB> those writing server software. IMHO, it needs to be dumbed-down. The > BB> reason why these things like postnuke become so popular is > that they are so > BB> easy to hack for even the least experienced coder. Copy, > cut, paste. Not, > BB> write xml, compile, jar, maintain ANT files, etc... You get what I'm > BB> saying? > > BB> This is just something to think about and I'm not advocating > any specific > BB> approach. > > BB> And again, BTW, JNuke is already trademarked. You must call > in Nukes on > BB> JBoss or think of a better name. > > BB> Bill > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marc > >> fleury > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:40 PM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > >> > >> > >> I am all for JMX if it works . Also the idea is to port the modules we > >> like bit by bit to the sar format and this is CLEARLY a > microkernel job. > >> I think julien stroke on something interesting when he noticed the > >> URL:command mapping to interfaces. What this means is that modules will > >> expose interfaces as mbeans and that is all it takes. Difficult? yeah > >> for php guys, heck they must get EJB first. But for us? we are doing > >> the port anyway... > >> > >> let's go julien, speed speed my friend, > >> > >> marcf > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > >> > Behalf Of Dain Sundstrom > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:19 PM > >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > >> > > >> > > >> > I think you are dreaming, if you think you will every recruit php > >> > developers to any java based solution. Ben, remember the Orielly OS > >> > convention? The php guys are perl guys. > >> > > >> > -dain > >> > > >> > On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 01:03 PM, Ben Sabrin wrote: > >> > > >> > > Are we developing this for the PHP community or the Java > >> > community? > >> > > Or more important for the JBoss community? To me it seems that it > >> > > would depend on who you are targeting for your user base. > >> > If you want > >> > > to target the PHP users to bring them to JBoss, then Bill could be > >> > > right. If we do not care about the PHP community, we go > >> > down the JMX > >> > > way. I think the PHP community will never want to do anything with > >> > > JSP. They believe they have what they need to be > >> > successful and will > >> > > continue to innovate in their own circle. For most of the PHP > >> > > community, what they have built is scalable to their needs. > >> > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- > >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bill Burke > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:51 PM > >> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > >> > >> > >> > >> The only negative comment I have in using JMX is that the PHP > >> > > community > >> > >> may > >> > >> have a tough time switching over to Nukes on JBoss if you have to > >> > >> have > >> > > a > >> > >> package structure like a SAR or a WAR. I hate to say it, > >> > but does it > >> > > need > >> > >> to be "dumbed-down" for the PHP community? This type of community > >> > > needs > >> > >> to > >> > >> be able to edit a JSP and immediately see the change on the > >> > >> webserver. > >> > > Is > >> > >> it possible to be all JSP based for themes, modules and > >> > blocks? You > >> > > could > >> > >> use a URL fragement and JSP:Include to decide what theme to use. > >> > >> > >> > >> Just a thought. Maybe JMX and such is the way to go. > Just want to > >> > > give > >> > >> you > >> > >> something to think about. > >> > >> > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >> > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > >> > Behalf Of > >> > >>> julien viet > >> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:31 AM > >> > >>> To: SourceForge.net > >> > >>> Subject: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> hi folks, > >> > >>> > >> > >>> JNuke adventure has started. > >> > >>> After analysis of PostNuke I've began the development, > still early > >> > >> though. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I keep everything that's good in PostNuke and throw all the shit > >> > > away : > >> > >>> > >> > >>> modules, blocks, permissions system, url system and themes. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> JMX is used for PostNuke components : themes, > >> > >>> modules and blocks are all JMX mbeans. Here are my reasons : > >> > >>> > >> > >>> A : general > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 1.we need a component structure, why not JMX ? after all > >> > >>> another forum say that's lightweight. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 2.theses components do not have to scale, i.e the number of > >> > > modules, > >> > >>> blocks and themes is very small. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> B : for modules > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 1.Ability to deploy/undeploy when application is running. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 2.It's easy to deploy additional modules as a separate > deployment > >> > > and > >> > >>> have them register in the same registry. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 3.PostNuke is all about invoking module functions. > >> > >>> Url like index.php?module=User&op=register means > >> > >>> that the PN must call the method register on module User. > >> > >>> For me that means that the servlet retrieves the mbean > >> > >>> under the name jnuke:publicmodules:name=User > >> > >>> and invokes the operation register(). > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 4.When a module is installed and configured it plug > >> > >>> block mbeans in the JMX. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> C : for blocks, same reasons as above except 3 and 4 > >> > >>> as invocation is typed for 3. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> D : for themes, same reasons as above except 3 and 4 > >> > >>> as invocation is typed for 3. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> EJB are used for the model : > >> > >>> > >> > >>> UserEJB, GroupEJB, UserPermissionEJB, UserGroupEJB will > >> > >>> be CMP 2.0 beans. We'll use local invocations and same > >> > trick as in > >> > >>> forum to make them faster. Plus more beans. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Each module is made of : > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 1.ModuleMBean : is the module itself, does not provide > >> > > fucntionnalities, > >> > >>> it's used to manager the PublicModule. Main operations are > >> > > lifecycle > >> > >>> (initialize, activate, unactivate, uninitialize) > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 2.PublicModuleMBean : is created when ModuleMBean > >> > activates and is > >> > >>> responsible for serving requests. The MBean is dynamic and > >> > > operations > >> > >>> with no arguments and no returns are served. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> It's up to the module to do as he wants : if he wants > >> > MVC it can, > >> > > it > >> > >>> it wants to mix HTML and code, it can. First modules > >> > won't be MVC > >> > >>> as they simply don't need. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> It's up to the model to have the persistence mecanisms > it wants. > >> > > First > >> > >>> modules will use EJB. With lifecycle operations, each > module can > >> > >> install > >> > >>> itself, for instance : > >> > >>> > >> > >>> a ModuleMBean is plugged : > >> > >>> 1.module configuration, setup of variables > >> > >>> 2.initialize : module can creates table, deploy EJB, > >> > plugs block. > >> > >>> 3.activate : module > >> > >>> then go to block admin and creates instances of blocks > >> > (if module > >> > >>> use blocks), display them on the page. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Each block is made of : > >> > >>> > >> > >>> 1.BlockMBean : manages BlockInstanceMBean. > >> > 2.BlockInstanceMBean : > >> > >>> is a block instance, it contains a title and a position > >> > >>> on web page + 3 operations : display(), edit(), update(). > >> > >>> display() : displays the block instance > >> > >>> edit() : used to edit the block in block administration > >> > >>> update() : used to upate the block in block admin > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Each them is made of various callbacks that displays HTML on the > >> > > page. > >> > >>> It has to provide location of files like css, gifs, etc... THe > >> > >>> first them I did is made of a servlet that register to > >> > JMX and the > >> > >>> doGet operation serves the files. It's default theme. To > >> > make the > >> > >>> thing simpler, it will be possible to make theme with > >> > > JSP > >> > >>> because I want to keep post nuke spirit. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Ideally, even Module and Blocks could be made as JSP of > >> > things like > >> > >>> that, that keeps PHP easy to do spirit. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I did not thought a lot about permissions. In PostNuke, > >> > each module > >> > >>> is responsible for checking security. I know that could be done > >> > >>> with AOP but I don't know if it's > >> > >>> gonna now, later or never :-) > >> > >>> > >> > >>> One problem is the configuration persistence. I don't > >> > know how our > >> > >>> JMX implementation is far there. But if there is a restart, all > >> > >>> config must be re-done. JMX persistence > >> > >>> will save us there. Even though it's plain file and not JDBC. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I will check out later (now it's a true mess), but I > can say what > >> > >> works : > >> > >>> Themes + default theme is done > >> > >>> block > >> > >>> modules and module invocation. > >> > >>> That means that yes, it displays me something that's > >> > nice to watch > >> > >>> and I can invoke some operations although it's very early. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> So now, I am going back to code because time matters. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> julien > >> > >>> > >> > >>> ___________________________________________________________ > >> > >>> Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en frangais ! > >> > >>> Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>> This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from > >> > Thawte are > >> > >>> you planning your Web Server Security? 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