I want best of both worlds that's one of my main concerns, a user that like doing java will do and a user that want thing as simple as editing a JSP will do.
I don't say JMX is the way to go, but if I don't choose that, I will have to mimic parts of it. so ? They have kind of registries for modules, themes and blocks in postnuke : with directories. They have a component model, just function call. JMX provide it and it's possible to have still PHP style directories with JSP or similar things inside. julien BS> Are we developing this for the PHP community or the Java community? Or BS> more important for the JBoss community? To me it seems that it would BS> depend on who you are targeting for your user base. If you want to BS> target the PHP users to bring them to JBoss, then Bill could be right. BS> If we do not care about the PHP community, we go down the JMX way. I BS> think the PHP community will never want to do anything with JSP. They BS> believe they have what they need to be successful and will continue to BS> innovate in their own circle. For most of the PHP community, what they BS> have built is scalable to their needs. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bill Burke >> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:51 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev >> >> The only negative comment I have in using JMX is that the PHP BS> community >> may >> have a tough time switching over to Nukes on JBoss if you have to have BS> a >> package structure like a SAR or a WAR. I hate to say it, but does it BS> need >> to be "dumbed-down" for the PHP community? This type of community BS> needs >> to >> be able to edit a JSP and immediately see the change on the webserver. BS> Is >> it possible to be all JSP based for themes, modules and blocks? You BS> could >> use a URL fragement and JSP:Include to decide what theme to use. >> >> Just a thought. Maybe JMX and such is the way to go. Just want to BS> give >> you >> something to think about. >> >> Bill >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> > julien viet >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:31 AM >> > To: SourceForge.net >> > Subject: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev >> > >> > >> > hi folks, >> > >> > JNuke adventure has started. >> > After analysis of PostNuke I've began the development, still early >> though. >> > >> > I keep everything that's good in PostNuke and throw all the shit BS> away : >> > >> > modules, blocks, permissions system, url system and themes. >> > >> > JMX is used for PostNuke components : themes, >> > modules and blocks are all JMX mbeans. Here are my reasons : >> > >> > A : general >> > >> > 1.we need a component structure, why not JMX ? after all >> > another forum say that's lightweight. >> > >> > 2.theses components do not have to scale, i.e the number of BS> modules, >> > blocks and themes is very small. >> > >> > B : for modules >> > >> > 1.Ability to deploy/undeploy when application is running. >> > >> > 2.It's easy to deploy additional modules as a separate deployment BS> and >> > have them register in the same registry. >> > >> > 3.PostNuke is all about invoking module functions. >> > Url like index.php?module=User&op=register means >> > that the PN must call the method register on module User. >> > For me that means that the servlet retrieves the mbean >> > under the name jnuke:publicmodules:name=User >> > and invokes the operation register(). >> > >> > 4.When a module is installed and configured it plug >> > block mbeans in the JMX. >> > >> > C : for blocks, same reasons as above except 3 and 4 >> > as invocation is typed for 3. >> > >> > D : for themes, same reasons as above except 3 and 4 >> > as invocation is typed for 3. >> > >> > >> > EJB are used for the model : >> > >> > UserEJB, GroupEJB, UserPermissionEJB, UserGroupEJB will >> > be CMP 2.0 beans. We'll use local invocations and same trick >> > as in forum to make them faster. Plus more beans. >> > >> > Each module is made of : >> > >> > 1.ModuleMBean : is the module itself, does not provide BS> fucntionnalities, >> > it's used to manager the PublicModule. Main operations are BS> lifecycle >> > (initialize, activate, unactivate, uninitialize) >> > >> > 2.PublicModuleMBean : is created when ModuleMBean activates and is >> > responsible for serving requests. The MBean is dynamic and BS> operations >> > with no arguments and no returns are served. >> > >> > It's up to the module to do as he wants : if he wants MVC it can, BS> it >> > it wants to mix HTML and code, it can. First modules won't be MVC >> > as they simply don't need. >> > >> > It's up to the model to have the persistence mecanisms it wants. BS> First >> > modules will use EJB. With lifecycle operations, each module can >> install >> > itself, for instance : >> > >> > a ModuleMBean is plugged : >> > 1.module configuration, setup of variables >> > 2.initialize : module can creates table, deploy EJB, plugs block. >> > 3.activate : module >> > then go to block admin and creates instances of blocks (if module >> > use blocks), display them on the page. >> > >> > Each block is made of : >> > >> > 1.BlockMBean : manages BlockInstanceMBean. >> > 2.BlockInstanceMBean : is a block instance, it contains a title >> > and a position >> > on web page + 3 operations : display(), edit(), update(). >> > display() : displays the block instance >> > edit() : used to edit the block in block administration >> > update() : used to upate the block in block admin >> > >> > Each them is made of various callbacks that displays HTML on the BS> page. >> > It has to provide location of files like css, gifs, etc... >> > THe first them I did is made of a servlet that register to JMX >> > and the doGet operation serves the files. It's default theme. >> > To make the thing simpler, it will be possible to make theme with BS> JSP >> > because I want to keep post nuke spirit. >> > >> > Ideally, even Module and Blocks could be made as JSP of things >> > like that, that keeps >> > PHP easy to do spirit. >> > >> > I did not thought a lot about permissions. In PostNuke, each >> > module is responsible >> > for checking security. I know that could be done with AOP but I >> > don't know if it's >> > gonna now, later or never :-) >> > >> > One problem is the configuration persistence. I don't know how >> > our JMX implementation >> > is far there. But if there is a restart, all config must be >> > re-done. JMX persistence >> > will save us there. Even though it's plain file and not JDBC. >> > >> > I will check out later (now it's a true mess), but I can say what >> works : >> > Themes + default theme is done >> > block >> > modules and module invocation. >> > That means that yes, it displays me something that's nice to watch >> > and I can invoke some operations although it's very early. >> > >> > So now, I am going back to code because time matters. >> > >> > julien >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en frangais ! >> > Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------- >> > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte >> > are you planning your Web Server Security? 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