Boris Garbuzov wrote:
> You touched some business ussues together with documentation. Why open source
>product is better to learn than some WebLogic?
> 1. Supposidely, open source community is much more live, more fun to get involved.
>But WebLogic also has user forums and peer supposrt. And that community may be even
> larger, so easier to get a response.
Frankly, I've never been impressed by the Weblogic newsgroups. Borland,
on the other hand, has a very active set of groups, to which their
developers do respond, so if we talk about commercial vendors and not
specifically weblogic, I'd agree with your point.
> 2. One can look at the source. But this is not of a great help to juniors like me.
Depending on how much time you have. I agree, not everyone will be able
to get much out of it at first - some, not ever.
> 3. The question may be answered by authors-developers. But they have a separate mail
>list and rarely talk to beginner users.
This I have to disagree with. There are several commiters who regularly
reply to questions on this list. There are also several very
knowledgable people who answer questions on this list, who are familiar
with the code (some have submitted patches) and you are quite willing to
delve into the source to help on a tough problem. Users will get good
answers from these people.
From my perspective, a question is most likely to be answered if it
fits most of the following criteria.
1. The answer isn't easily found in the archives - the questions we've
been answering twice daily for three months tend to be ignored or
(mildly) flamed.
2. The answer isn't obvious to someone with basic knowledge of java.
3. The question is accompanied by an appropriate amount of pertinent
information - "It don't work" don't cut it.
4. The question makes sense.
5. (my pet peeve here - I'm not speaking for anyone else) I personally
won't answer a question posed by someone who refuses to type the word
'you'. Sorry, a quirk of mine, if you will.
> 4. The product is free, so I can offer it to my poor boss of a small company. But on
>the other hand rich companies often prerer "weblogics".
Often big companies prefer commercial software because they'd rather
blame someone when it doesn't work than fix what's broke. Personally,
I'd rather be able to fix what's broke. I've been in the situation of
having broken commercial software and having someone to blame never got
anything rolled out. Now, I'm probably not Joe Average, either, and I'd
hesitate to suggest a non-supported open source package to a company
staffed by Joe Averages. Frankly, I think that an organization
consisting of Joe Averages will wind up needing a lot of help no matter
who their vendor is. Note that I said 'non-supported' and look here:
http://www.jboss.org/JBG/support.jsp
> 5. Open source has a flexible license, so it absorbs best contributions and quicker
>progresses. But is it so flexible? If Oracle wanted to use some pieces of JBoss or its
> technologies, would it have the same easy opportunity to just buy this ot use it for
>free keeping their existent license?
Well, with JBoss, they won't really be able to release it under their
own license. JBoss being LGPL'ed, most companies would shy away from
trying to bundle it - although that is permissable (theoretically - but
I'm Not a Lawyer) to use it like a library.
Note that Apache like licenses are a completely different animal, and
that Oracle does include JServ in their app server.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:11:46 -0700
> From: Richard Bottoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-user] manual
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> At 07:37 PM 6/15/01 +0200, you wrote:
>
>
>> I agree totally!
>> You made an exellent point!
>
>
>
> I can volunteer my skills in publishing to handle page layout and
> conversion to
> Acrobat electronic versions. 'Fluffy' documentation is the key for successful
> expansion beyond gearheads to people who RTFM, and then are still mystified.
>
> What would be useful is:
>
> - complete well laid out docs
> - examples, starting with 'Hello World' to a large project
> - step by step instructions for using JDBC connectivity to MySQL,
> Postgress
> - a complete file list w/common setup under Red Hat, Debian etc...
>
> Couple that with instructions of how to get Visual Cafe, JBuilder or other off
> the shelf, low cost Java development tools working with JBoss, and many more
> developers would roll out projects using J2EE.
>
> Frankly, not everyone can 'read the source' or even manage the command line to
> get their job done. Plus, we need to provide examples of how this technology
> will help Joe Average save his company money.
>
> Weblogic's price includes the support that will help Joe Average's project
> succeed and keep him from getting fired. If Joe recommends JBoss and he
> can' t
> make it work, the $10,000 he saved will not help him.
>
> Love or hate Red Hat, I didn't get hooked on Linux until I found a product
> that
> had an easy one disk install and a manual to tell me how to use it.
>
>
> r.b.
>
>
>
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