> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joachim Van > der Auwera > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] July 2003 news > > > > FYI, Marc was not angry and he did not make the decision alone. All the > > project administrators agreed to it. Ad hominem attacks will get you > > nowhere. > > Sorry for being stupid, but I don't see the point, except that it > is already > backfiring. > > I do not believe any of these people would break the code on > purpose, quite > the contrary as they are also selling JBoss support. > > If you are afraid that they might copy the code, or use knowledge of the > code as base to start their project, what good does removing CVS > access do? > They can still read the code... > > There are many people around the world (trying to) sell JBoss support (I > mean, that is one of the reasons why somebody would get > certified). Are they > all going to be banned ? Hey, I mean that most JBoss users earn > money doing > so. > > JBoss Group still has enough core developpers. I think most companies who > need JBoss support will come to JBoss Group. The other guys seem > to focus on > open source consulting, not just JBoss, but including other OS > software. I > can image they have (at least a marketing) advantage there. With > JBoss being > such an important OS project, it is natural it will be included in their > portfolio of "known" projects. > > It seems part of the "dispute" is about money, them claiming > money will now > be faiarly distributed to the consultants. Fair enough, but we > also read the > JBoss Group will be using massive funds for J2EE licensing. Funds > also have > to be set apart in case litigation would ever be necessaretc. Has anybody > ever discussed these kinds of things with them? >
Thank you Joachim. You are correct. It takes massive funds for J2EE licensing. We have allocated the money for this, have agreed to the terms of the J2EE certification, and are awaiting for the final "go ahead" from Sun. As you can see, it takes real money to run an open-source project. Especially a J2EE-based open-source project as we must pay Sun for the TCK. Not only that, but it takes time and money to promote the project to news media, financial analysts, and Fortune 500 companies that need free support when they are evaluating the open-source project. JBoss Group has taken on the financial responsibility of running the JBoss project since its inception in 1999. There is no corporate sponsorship nor any VC money or investment. Full time developers need a salary. JBoss Group has hired a PR firm to help us promote the JBoss project. We pay for the hosting of www.jboss.org. We pay for FREE conferences at JavaOne: JbossOne, March 2002. JBossTwo, June 2003. Free conferences are expensive to put on. JBoss Group offices in Atlanta cost money. Marc continuously criss-crosses the Globe giving talks at JUGs and visiting financial analysts, media, and potential JBoss adoptors, all to promote JBoss adoption. And finally, we have an Open-Source lawyer on payroll to protect the interests of the OSS project and of the company itself. All this costs loads of money. Most of JBoss Group are open-source developers who have decided to make a full-time living off of Open Source. The rest of JBoss Group are individuals(sales, marketing, account) who have bought into the business values of open-source as stated in Marc's "White Paper". I myself left a high-paying, secure, corporate job to join JBoss Group, even took a paycut to do something I actually believe in. JBoss Group is committed to bringing in as many developers as possible that want to make their living on open-source. Best regards, Bill XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Bill Burke Chief Architect JBoss Group, LLC XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Cast your vote for JBoss as JDJ Best App Server http://www.sys-con.com/java/readerschoice2003/vote.cfm ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 _______________________________________________ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
