Not to mention that I though Apache projects were not even allowed to have GPL or LGPL stuffcommited in the CVS tree.
Damn, is Apache actually aware that thier project is a JBoss fork? This really cannot benefit anyone. Joachim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Duffey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] July 2003 news > Another valid point. I am sure many of us are still > not sure how the Jetty team and/or CDN developers have > suddenly put forth the notion that they were going to > steal JBoss code and put it into this apache J2EE > container, especially if they were still part of the > JBoss development team and also were supporting JBoss. > I look forward to the clearly defined statement > (sooner than later hopefully) regarding this issue of > mistrust of those developers and how it came about. > > Thanks. > > --- Scott M Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It has nothing to deal with fear of the stealing the > > code. Anyone can. Its about > > working with people you trust to build a project > > that has to answer to customers. > > > > -- > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Scott Stark > > Chief Technology Officer > > JBoss Group, LLC > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Kevin Duffey wrote: > > > > > I must have missed all the emails with misconduct > > in > > > them. > > > > > > So the "fear" you refer to is that you think Jetty > > and > > > other developers of CDN were going to "steal" > > JBoss > > > code, which is open-source, and take it over to > > the > > > apache J2ee project? > > > > > > See, that seems backwards to me. No offense > > intended, > > > but I think you get a lot further by being more > > open > > > and helping others, than the other way around. > > That is > > > why the forked idea of linux and such as worked so > > > well. I would agree that I would not want a forked > > > version of JBoss, then it becomes a little more > > > confusing which one to go with. But if some > > concepts > > > work well with JBoss, such as the use of JMX that > > > Jonas and others are using now for their backbone, > > why > > > not help? Is it the fear of the JBoss Group losing > > > their own jobs supporting JBoss? I can't see why > > that > > > would happen with the proliferation of JBoss in > > the > > > market. I think another attempt at an open-source > > J2EE > > > container is going to be hard to catch up to JBoss > > at > > > this point, but even so, what's a little > > competition. > > > > > > I recently read an article about how "stale" MS is > > > with thier OSs and why they can give out crappy > > copies > > > of it. They have no competition on Intel machines. > > > Sure, Linux, but not really on the desktop. The > > > argument goes that if Apple were to bring Mac OS X > > to > > > Intel hardware, MS would have a real competitor > > with a > > > better OS on its platform. I suppose of MS was > > smart > > > they'd consider porting Windows to linux and Mac > > OS X > > > as well to have more hardware under thier OS. I > > can > > > see the same argument for JBoss. JBoss is really > > the > > > only solid J2EE free implementation around. I am > > not > > > sure if Jonas is entirely free, but Orion and > > PRimatti > > > are both very good servers for a mere $1500 per > > server > > > (no per cpu charge), so dropping $1500 for > > production > > > while no cost for anything else is not all that > > much > > > even for small companies. However, with another > > > open-source J2EE container in the works, I can see > > > where the JBoss developes might face a little more > > > competition and think "Crap, we don't want to lose > > > customers, so lets make it better..." and really > > hone > > > down on the jboss features, capabilities, > > performance, > > > etc. That is why competition is good, it keeps > > each > > > player in check. You don't want to slack off now, > > > because with another free container on its way, > > you > > > may lose customers to it. Another thing Jboss may > > face > > > in a apache/jakarta type of free J2EE container is > > > that Apache has a LOT of pull in the community. > > Sun, > > > IBM, and others all contribute to it, so while > > JBoss > > > is by far the leading J2EE container for its > > > performace/features/compliance/price, another one > > may > > > put some pressure on JBoss to keep up the pace. > > I'd > > > also imagine with Apache and the likes behind it, > > > there are possibly more developers to work on it, > > and > > > one other thing comes to mind... a fresh start on > > a > > > new design. JBoss has a great architecture, > > although > > > personally I have been wanting to see my own > > concept > > > of dynamically loadable plugins put into a J2EE > > > container for some time. I just don't want to take > > on > > > that task my self. I'd imagine some developers > > think > > > "Kewl, another fresh start J2EE container, maybe > > this > > > idea I had that I wasn't allowed to add to Jboss > > can > > > get into this new container and will finally be > > > usefull.." or something along the lines. > > > > > > Anywho, JBoss rocks, ya'll got a huge head start, > > and > > > hopefully all the ugliness between JBoss/JEtty, > > the > > > CDN developers and such will blow over and > > everybody > > > will get along. If not, well, I'd expect some > > serious > > > competition with the new free open-source > > container > > > that IS allowed to be forked and so forth. > > Probably > > > the anger alone will entice some of them to put in > > > longer hours and more code. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built > > ASP.NET sites including > > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are > > available now. > > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual > > Studio .NET. > > > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > > _______________________________________________ > > JBoss-user mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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