On 15 Jun 2003 at 21:00, Michael Brown wrote: > From: "Peter Saint-Andre" > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:50:06AM -0500, Thomas Muldowney wrote: > > > I think this is a sign of a larger end user problem. We have no site > > > that caters to end users... > > > [Snip] > > > > I agree, much more is needed than just an easy user guide. If we really > > want to reach the average IM user, we need an icq.com-style portal that > > makes users happy by providing general-interest chatrooms, easy ways to > > find like-minded users, fun little quizzes and polls, games, and all > > that jazz. I don't think this is something that the JSF would excel at, > > so I doubt that it's a good focus for the JSF. But I do think that this > > would take Jabber to the next level. People are offering Jabber-based > > consumer services (nioki.com, etc.), but there is no "human face" to the > > Jabber movemement. All I know is, it will be a lot of work to create and > > maintain such a service. :) > > I find this list really frustrating at times. We *had* a Jabber End User > site that included polls, client reviews etc and was getting a great deal of > hits - doesn't anyone remember Jabbercentral? - but someone *chough*you > Peter*chough* insisted that it be closed down despite multiple offers to > take over running it. It was replaced but a small link saying "clients" > somewhere on the left of the jabber.org site, and a page with a handful of > clients and a line of yellow/grey stars. > > Your average IM user is going to take one look at jabber.org, and go some > place else. Users don't care about server code, or developers, or the > Jabber council, they just want to see pictures/screenshots of some clients, > read some reviews, and download a client. > > And for those advocating some sort of "Official" client, I would have to > strongly disagree. All that is going to do is create bad feeling among the > other client developers, and we will end up with more dead client projects. > What we need is an end user friendly site that reviews and rates clients, so > that people can make an informed choice, and client developers can see how > their software rates compared to the competition. (Yes, like the > Jabbercentral of old) > > [Yes - I am having a bad day] > > Michael.
jup, I fully agree, Edrin _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
