Clients are "behind" because nearly all of them are hobby projects. I think I
can speak for most of us in saying that we are working as fast as we can
within our available time, and throwing a certification weight on our
shoulders wouldn't speed anything up.

If you write it as a hobby, though, do you necessarily need the banner on your page? To put it another way, not every webpage author is going to strive for absolute W3C HTML4 compliance, but if you achieve it and get it verified by one of those test programs, you can put the button up for bragging rights. As a result, there are web authors out there who feel driven to achieve that. Does it mean that a W3C compliance badge or similar associated programs have a negative impact on the rest of the world?


In addition, many of the features you mention just plain aren't ready in
specification form. Avatars? XHTML-IM? Voice chat? These are all
Experimental. Maybe we should start certifying Jabber Council members, to
motivate them to approve some JEPs? (and speaking of which, my "jep-secure"
has beat the record of the longest time from submission to publication, and
is still counting.)

This is a frustration I can understand, completely. However, keep in mind that JEPs tend to move forward out of 'experimental' faster when people are actually working on using them. XHTML has languished, in part, because few clients have added it.


Worse still, it seems as though there is a stigma of some kind involved in implementing experimental JEPs. Your own comment demonstrates this; you speak of the Experimental status as reason not to implement them yet. I think this hurts Jabber as a whole. Experimental JEPs /need/ to be implemented, so they can be tried out in the real world; real world user experience (benefits /and/ horror stories) do a lot to move a JEP forward.

Yes, they might change, which is irritating... but we DO have xmlns as our markers, and if for some unavoidable reason a JEP changes enough during the experimental phase that it becomes incompatible with its previous implementation, we can theoretically change the xmlns to avoid breaking lingering experimental versions.

And sure, you can't make an Experimental JEP a 'required' for the certification set for one year, but you can definitely make it a 'recommended,' and encourage implementation of it. The clients who want the nifty little certification badge -- and I think you'd find they are out there -- will work to implement these things, and thus help move the JEPs forward. If we had 'avatars' as a recommended for a certification list, I bet you there'd have been at least a Draft version avatar JEP by now. ;)

There's my $0.02, for whatever it's worth.

                --Rachel

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