If we are talking about Java 8 only for a Jenkins 2.x (thus with a real cleanup, renew of the codebase and thus an adaptation/rewrite of plugins) it won't land before 1 year ? 2 years ? (at least to be stable / LTS) I think that in one or 2 years J8 should have more supported environments ...
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 7:32 AM, nicolas de loof <[email protected]> wrote: > just using Java 8 (i.e. use some new API that do a better job) could help, > but doesn't need a debate, we already do this for a while. > Requiring Java 8 would allow some major change in jenkins design, > especially on the way we extend base classes, and define API (as inner > classes) vs lambdas > > 2014-09-25 2:47 GMT+02:00 Mark Waite <[email protected]>: > >> I agree with Russ. If we require Java 8, rather than just allowing it, >> we'll cause many users to stop upgrading their Jenkins installations, and >> will tend to lose their involvement in the project. >> >> I appreciate developer benefits very much, but with 80 000+ >> installations, I think preserving compatibility is more valuable than the >> developer benefits of requiring Java 8. >> >> I admit that I was just hit by exactly this condition as a developer. I >> added a new test to the git client plugin which depended on a Java 7 NIO >> feature. It failed to compile in my test configuration with Java 6. Even >> so, I still think that the most we should require is Java 7. >> >> Is there a way to count the summarize the distribution of virtual >> machines used with Jenkins today, similar to the summary posted earlier >> about platforms used with Jenkins? >> >> Are there ways we could allow more of the benefits of Java 8 development, >> while still retaining compatibility? >> >> Mark Waite >> >> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Russ Tremain <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> I think it is fine to "allow java 8" but not require it. >>> >>> Requiring the latest version of java to run Jenkins just means that many >>> shops will stop upgrading Jenkins. >>> >>> Compared to whatever new esoteric language features JDK8 has, stability >>> of the Jenkins production platform concerns far outweigh convenience or >>> curiosity concerns for Jenkins developers. >>> >>> To put it graphically: >>> >>> Production platform stability: whale >>> Jenkins developer convenience: anchovy >>> >>> So that's my vote. ;) >>> >>> At 12:23 PM -0700 9/24/14, Kohsuke Kawaguchi wrote: >>> >>> I think we need to ask this to the users list and what people say. I'm >>> happy to pose this question in JUC Bay Area to get the feel, too. >>> >>> >>> As much as I love the idea as a developer, this does have a significant >>> negative impact on the users. >>> >>> >>> For one, we aren't just talking about optionally taking advantages of >>> Java8 library features, like we do today for Java7. Here you are proposing >>> to compile version 52 class files that only Java8 understands. >>> >>> >>> It is also not just so called esoteric OSes that do not have Java8. Take >>> Ubuntu for example. The current latest release 14.04 still doesn't have >>> Java8 as a native package >>> <http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=trusty-updates&searchon=names&keywords=openjdk>. >>> IIUC you currently have to rely on installing it from somebody's private >>> repository (and I have no way of trusting these guys.) This means our DEB >>> package will not be installable on its own. >>> >>> >>> Here's another one. IBM still hasn't released JDK8. If you are an IBM >>> shop and need to use IBM JDK for support contracts, you'll be left behind. >>> >>> >>> I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think JDK8 dependency will >>> be happening any time soon. >>> >>> >>> 2014-09-24 11:50 GMT-07:00 Daniel Beck <[email protected]>: >>> >>> >>> On 24.09.2014, at 19:53, oliver gondÏa <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > Do we have stats for connected slaves? I expect there is significantly >>> more instances that are using exotic platforms to power some of their >>> slaves but not master. >>> >>> Since only relatively few Jenkins installs actually seem to use slaves, >>> that's not the case. >>> >>> Out of ~27300 slaves, only ~200 are known to run any of the platforms >>> mentioned above. Unfortunately, we don't know the OS of ~6500 slaves and I >>> don't see why this should be the case. >>> >>> (Of course, one could argue that the more likely an organization is to >>> have lots of nodes and use obscure commercial Unixes, the less likely it is >>> they participate in anonymous usage statistics -- but that makes it their >>> problem IMO.) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kohsuke Kawaguchi >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks! >> Mark Waite >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Jenkins Developers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Jenkins Developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- ----- Arnaud Héritier http://aheritier.net Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com Twitter/Skype : aheritier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. 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