I don't share the opinion about the native packages being somehow not
for "real" use or being unsupported. Given that the packages are listed
prominently on the home page, and no statement of "install at your own
risk; these are possibly broken" is given, as a user I would have no
reason to assume that the packages are not well supported.
It's a shame we don't have any download stats for the native packages.
At least on Debian (for people who have opted in to package tracking),
there's fairly linear growth in package usage:
https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=jenkins
The stats for Ubuntu look very similar.
Regards,
Chris
On 24/03/15 06:09, James Nord wrote:
I have always seen those packages as a convenience and never anything
that was to read into any supportability - especially given that they
don't (didn't) set dependencies correctly and install files to
completely inappropriate locations. (there is a linux FHS for a reason).
So given that, my answer would be I don't care if CentOS 5 doesn't have
a JDK8 in its distribution packages as there is an RPM from Oracle if
people insist on doing it this way (which actually leads to a buggy
Jenkins install which miss-behaves in ways users don't expect!). On top
of that the OpenJDK version 6 which ships with some OS'es that may
currently be used is buggy as hell, so anyone that uses that is just
asking for trouble at present.
/James
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 10:58:07 UTC, Daniel Beck wrote:
How's availability of Java 8 (and preferably JDK 8 for the tools) on
the default package repos of the various platforms we have native
packages for?
On 24.03.2015, at 11:52, Stephen Connolly <[email protected]
<javascript:>> wrote:
> Well jumping from Java 6 to Java 8 is a big jump. My point is
that we probably can strongly argue to jump to Java 7 today... then
in a few months (say 3 months after Java 7 is EOL... to allow for an
LTS that supports Java 7 but not Java 6) then we bump up to Java 8
>
> On 24 March 2015 at 10:41, nicolas de loof <[email protected]
<javascript:>> wrote:
> As said when I opened this topic, I can't see major benefit in
requiring Java 7 from a developer point of view (some syntactic
sugar, few new API, what else ?), compared to huge benefit of Java 8
to review API design and extensibility
>
> 2015-03-24 11:36 GMT+01:00 Stephen Connolly
<[email protected] <javascript:>>:
> I think we could start looking at requiring Java 7 as a minimum
for Runtime of Jenkins... given that Maven 3.3.1 has moved its
minimum runtime to Java 7... if we want to bump the evil plugin
version to use the Maven 3.3.1 embedded jars we will have to bump
Jenkins to require Java 7 as a minimum... never mind that Java 7
goes EOL next month
>
> On 24 March 2015 at 10:33, James Nord <[email protected]
<javascript:>> wrote:
> Rejoice! IBM AIX and z/OS now have a GA Java8 version.
>
> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21696670
<http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21696670>
>
> Is it time to revisit this once more?
>
> /James
>
>
> On Thursday, 25 September 2014 16:20:35 UTC+1, Jesse Glick wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Mark Waite
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > I added a new test to the git client plugin which depended on a
Java 7 NIO
> > feature. It failed to compile in my test configuration with
Java 6.
>
> I think it is fine to require Java 7 in tests; there was already a
> proposal which met with no controversy to require 7 for building
> plugins, while continuing to use -target 6 and Animal Sniffer to
> prevent accidental use of 7+ APIs or bytecode (*). Requiring 8 for
> building plugins, and thus allowing -source 8 features in
> src/test/java/**/*.java (**), would be a natural next step, a bit
> controversial but much less so than requiring 8 for running Jenkins
> itself.
>
>
> (*) Of course this means functional tests do not find runtime
problems
> occurring on 6 despite lack of linkage errors. But the
alternative of
> running tests on 6 just means the reverse problem, that behavioral
> changes in 7 which break the plugin are not caught; and this is
worse,
> since many more people will really be running on 7.
>
> (**) The upcoming version of Animal Sniffer allows you to skip
checks
> on test-scope dependencies. But it might not yet allow checks to be
> skipped on src/test/java/**/*.java, which is not a dependency; will
> need to look into it.
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