I don't think we would have actual effort to refactor/cleanup codebase until such a java 8 / 2.x version becomes the actual mainstream version.
2014-09-25 11:27 GMT+02:00 Arnaud Héritier <[email protected]>: > If we are talking about Java 8 only for a Jenkins 2.x (thus with a real > cleanup, renew of the codebase and thus an adaptation/rewrite of plugins) > it won't land before 1 year ? 2 years ? (at least to be stable / LTS) > I think that in one or 2 years J8 should have more supported environments > ... > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 7:32 AM, nicolas de loof <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> just using Java 8 (i.e. use some new API that do a better job) could >> help, but doesn't need a debate, we already do this for a while. >> Requiring Java 8 would allow some major change in jenkins design, >> especially on the way we extend base classes, and define API (as inner >> classes) vs lambdas >> >> 2014-09-25 2:47 GMT+02:00 Mark Waite <[email protected]>: >> >>> I agree with Russ. If we require Java 8, rather than just allowing it, >>> we'll cause many users to stop upgrading their Jenkins installations, and >>> will tend to lose their involvement in the project. >>> >>> I appreciate developer benefits very much, but with 80 000+ >>> installations, I think preserving compatibility is more valuable than the >>> developer benefits of requiring Java 8. >>> >>> I admit that I was just hit by exactly this condition as a developer. I >>> added a new test to the git client plugin which depended on a Java 7 NIO >>> feature. It failed to compile in my test configuration with Java 6. Even >>> so, I still think that the most we should require is Java 7. >>> >>> Is there a way to count the summarize the distribution of virtual >>> machines used with Jenkins today, similar to the summary posted earlier >>> about platforms used with Jenkins? >>> >>> Are there ways we could allow more of the benefits of Java 8 >>> development, while still retaining compatibility? >>> >>> Mark Waite >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Russ Tremain <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> I think it is fine to "allow java 8" but not require it. >>>> >>>> Requiring the latest version of java to run Jenkins just means that >>>> many shops will stop upgrading Jenkins. >>>> >>>> Compared to whatever new esoteric language features JDK8 has, stability >>>> of the Jenkins production platform concerns far outweigh convenience or >>>> curiosity concerns for Jenkins developers. >>>> >>>> To put it graphically: >>>> >>>> Production platform stability: whale >>>> Jenkins developer convenience: anchovy >>>> >>>> So that's my vote. ;) >>>> >>>> At 12:23 PM -0700 9/24/14, Kohsuke Kawaguchi wrote: >>>> >>>> I think we need to ask this to the users list and what people say. I'm >>>> happy to pose this question in JUC Bay Area to get the feel, too. >>>> >>>> >>>> As much as I love the idea as a developer, this does have a significant >>>> negative impact on the users. >>>> >>>> >>>> For one, we aren't just talking about optionally taking advantages of >>>> Java8 library features, like we do today for Java7. Here you are proposing >>>> to compile version 52 class files that only Java8 understands. >>>> >>>> >>>> It is also not just so called esoteric OSes that do not have Java8. >>>> Take Ubuntu for example. The current latest release 14.04 still doesn't >>>> have Java8 as a native package >>>> <http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=trusty-updates&searchon=names&keywords=openjdk>. >>>> IIUC you currently have to rely on installing it from somebody's private >>>> repository (and I have no way of trusting these guys.) This means our DEB >>>> package will not be installable on its own. >>>> >>>> >>>> Here's another one. IBM still hasn't released JDK8. If you are an IBM >>>> shop and need to use IBM JDK for support contracts, you'll be left behind. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think JDK8 dependency will >>>> be happening any time soon. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-09-24 11:50 GMT-07:00 Daniel Beck <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24.09.2014, at 19:53, oliver gondÏa <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Do we have stats for connected slaves? I expect there is >>>> significantly more instances that are using exotic platforms to power some >>>> of their slaves but not master. >>>> >>>> Since only relatively few Jenkins installs actually seem to use slaves, >>>> that's not the case. >>>> >>>> Out of ~27300 slaves, only ~200 are known to run any of the platforms >>>> mentioned above. Unfortunately, we don't know the OS of ~6500 slaves and I >>>> don't see why this should be the case. >>>> >>>> (Of course, one could argue that the more likely an organization is to >>>> have lots of nodes and use obscure commercial Unixes, the less likely it is >>>> they participate in anonymous usage statistics -- but that makes it their >>>> problem IMO.) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kohsuke Kawaguchi >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks! >>> Mark Waite >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Jenkins Developers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > ----- > Arnaud Héritier > http://aheritier.net > Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com > Twitter/Skype : aheritier > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Jenkins Developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. 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