Thanks Oleg for driving this conversation with perseverance. There was some initial dissent, but between a linked mailing list thread, a midnight conversation in the Jenkins World hackhouse, and an IRC conversation, my understanding is that he built a consensus among people such as Jesse, James, Tyler, and Daniel.
As such, I intend to accept this soon <https://github.com/jenkinsci/jep/pull/56>. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:56 AM R. Tyler Croy <ty...@monkeypox.org> wrote: > > > I had a conversation with Oleg about this last week in the > #jenkins-community > channel, which I promised I would summarize here. After reading the JEP and > discussing with Oleg a bit, I think this is a reasonable enhancement and > has > little to no negative impact, so +1. > > The primary question I had was wheter JEP-3 would continue to be relevant > if Blue > Ocean, or Pipeline for example, were moved into separate JIRA projects. In > essence, would the "problem be solved" if we moved those specific plugin > subsystems to separate JIRA projects where they could consistently use the > built-in functionality within JIRA for managing versions and releases. > Oleg's > proposal is still relevant and beneficial to the "long-tail" of smaller > plugin > systems, and individual plugins, which may never merit a single JIRA > project > unto themselves. > > So yeah, +1 from my perspective to JEP-3 :) > > > Full log below. > > 01:58 <oleg-nenashev> rtyler: pong > 02:02 <rtyler> I was reading JEP-3 and a question came to my mind, if we > had a separate project in JIRA for Pipeline and one for Blue Ocean (for > example), JEP-3 would > still be necessary in your mind wouldn't it? > 02:31 <oleg-nenashev> It would > 02:34 @<danielbeck> for JENKINS probably, the specific projects could do > it via versions > 02:36 <oleg-nenashev> Yes, BlueOcean could switch to versions > 03:10 <oleg-nenashev> I have some reservations about moving BO to a > separate project tho > 03:11 <oleg-nenashev> Needs to be impkemented properly so that other > plugin maintainers are not affected > 03:14 <rtyler> why would that negatively affect other plugin maintainers? > 04:14 <oleg-nenashev> rtyler: Moving issues is generally more complicated > than changing the components, and it takes more time. For multi-project > issues (e.g. > BlueOcean+SSE Gateway or BlueOcean + JIRA) it will > also require some linking between issues and other such fun > 04:17 <oleg-nenashev> rtyler: There is a request from i386 about that > somewhere in the mailing lists, cannot find it. Maybe i386 wants to recover > the thread for > further discussion. CC danielbeck who participated > in the thread as well IIRC > 04:21 <oleg-nenashev> BTW, I am not sure whether comments like "I moved > to AppVeyor" are appropriate when a core maintainer says so :( > > https://github.com/jenkinsci/change-assembly-version-plugin/pull/17#issuecomment-364553617 > 04:21 <oleg-nenashev> But .NET stack for Jenkins is really abandoned > 04:22 <oleg-nenashev> It needs a hero. A full-time hero actually, so /me > shrugs > 04:37 <rtyler> oleg-nenashev: I don't think i386 is going to recover the > thread, I think he was pretty frustrated with all of us for using JIRA > shittily > 04:37 <rtyler> (which we kinda are, for a number of reasons) > 04:38 <oleg-nenashev> yeah > 04:38 <oleg-nenashev> I agree with that > 04:38 <rtyler> oleg-nenashev: so I was just curious whether other changes > made JEP-3 still relevant, and it seems like JEP-3 is > 04:38 <rtyler> so I'm going to summarize this discussion and reply to the > dev list thread, okay? > 04:38 <oleg-nenashev> fine with me > 04:39 <oleg-nenashev> Generally I need somebody who is willing to be a > BDFL candidate > 04:39 <oleg-nenashev> danielbeck or ogondza seem to be obvious candidates > since they handle the core JIRA crap, but they didn't reply so far. Maybe > you or ulli? > 04:40 <rtyler> I don't think I spend enough time in JENKINS to rightfully > quality, sorry > 05:50 <oleg-nenashev> np > > > > > - R. Tyler Croy > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Code: <https://github.com/rtyler> > Chatter: <https://twitter.com/agentdero> > xmpp: rty...@jabber.org > > % gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key 1426C7DC3F51E16F > ------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Jenkins Developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to jenkinsci-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/20180212175616.dntzdyauekyb3kps%40blackberry.coupleofllamas.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Kohsuke Kawaguchi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to jenkinsci-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAN4CQ4wveZiWQ6os5UH%3DLJfxwhrrpSaFne9MRQXp8kNhvhF%3DMw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
