JEP draft is ready for review: https://github.com/jenkinsci/jep/pull/286

On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 10:11:50 PM UTC+2, Oleg Nenashev wrote:
>
> Meanwhile, everybody is welcome to try out 
> https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/jenkins which is fully set 
> up for evaluation/feedback purposes.
>
> On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 10:10:13 PM UTC+2, Oleg Nenashev wrote:
>>
>> Status update here: I did not forget about this topic, and am still 
>> planning to submit the JEP and new PoC for ComunityBridge, it was just 
>> delayed due to other emergencies in my personal life and in the Jenkins 
>> project (and overall lack of time). I plan to work on that in parallel with 
>> helping the Core Release Automation project, but I cannot guarantee the 
>> exact delivery date.
>>
>> BR, Oleg
>>
>> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 10:33:16 PM UTC+1, Marky Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>> I am interested in mentorship and will ping you offline 
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Oleg Nenashev <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just an update in this thread, I have set up the donations page 
>>> prototype: https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/jenkins
>>> As discussed at the Advocacy&Outreach SIG meeting on Thursday, we will 
>>> make additional review with CDF to ensure that CommunityBridge Funding is 
>>> fine for the CDF projects.
>>> I am pretty sure it will be OK since many CNCF projects are already 
>>> represented on this Linux Foundation portal, but let's see.
>>>
>>> So now we have two landings:
>>>
>>>    - Funding <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/jenkins>
>>>    - Mentorship 
>>>    
>>> <https://people.communitybridge.org/project/bce45251-1ff4-4131-9699-0a0017b31495/>
>>>
>>> To whomever interested in mentorship, right now we can run mentorship 
>>> programs with stipend and without one. There were some mentee applicants 
>>> since Nov whom we could review (run a project there or invite to GSoC, for 
>>> example). If you are interested, ping me in 
>>> https://gitter.im/jenkinsci/advocacy-and-outreach-sig
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Oleg Nenashev
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 4:19 PM Oleg Nenashev <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Beta testing of the new funding page was approved at the yesterday's 
>>>> Governance 
>>>> Meeting <https://jenkins.io/project/governance-meeting/>, thanks to 
>>>> all for the feedback!
>>>> I will get the agreements implemented and report back once the 
>>>> reference implementation is ready.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 11:47:21 AM UTC+1, Ullrich Hafner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>> I like the idea as well. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 26.12.2019 um 13:35 schrieb Oleg Nenashev <[email protected]>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am working on the Jenkins donations page 
>>>>> <https://jenkins.io/donate/> update at the moment (INFRA-2396 
>>>>> <https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-2396>), and I would like 
>>>>> to propose some changes there so that we can have a funding source once 
>>>>> SPI 
>>>>> retires the Jenkins donations as a part of our transition to CDF. Jenkins 
>>>>> funding helps us to run outreach programs and to cover some 
>>>>> infrastructure 
>>>>> costs, and as a board member I think it is really important to keep it 
>>>>> running and, ideally, to facilitate funding and using the money in the 
>>>>> project.
>>>>>
>>>>> *TL:DR:* Let's use CommunityBridge 
>>>>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/> as a SPI replacement to raise 
>>>>> funds. It is maintained by Linux Foundation, and it is recommended for 
>>>>> all 
>>>>> projects within LF or sub-foundations like CDF. Examples: CHAOSS 
>>>>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/chaoss>, Manjaro 
>>>>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/manjaro> or KiCAD 
>>>>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/06d36004-70a3-4f1f-8ae3-d0b2dd98815d>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> *Background.* Jenkins project operates thanks to contributions and 
>>>>> sponsorship (infra, meetups, swag, etc, etc.). Historically we did not 
>>>>> have 
>>>>> high cash flows in the project, we mostly spend money on infra and on 
>>>>> outreach programs (swag, travel grants, Outreachy and Community Bridge in 
>>>>> 2019). Sponsorship covered the most of our "big" expenses (e.g. Azure, 
>>>>> meetup.com, contributor summits, etc.), but there is a tendency to 
>>>>> formalize such donations through CDF. Currently sponsorship through CDF 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> a lengthy process not suitable for small donations, and it would be great 
>>>>> to have a simple process so that we can raise money to facilitate the 
>>>>> changes in the project.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Current state*
>>>>>
>>>>>    - https://jenkins.io/donate/ documents the donations policy. 
>>>>>       - This page has not been updated for a while, working on it 
>>>>>       - This page basically designates donations to be consumed for 
>>>>>       Jenkins Infra, 
>>>>>       - There is an explicit statement that "Your contribution is not 
>>>>>       used for paying personnel.". Arguably, this is what we do for 
>>>>> Outreachy and 
>>>>>       CommunityBridge though stipend for outreach projects != salary
>>>>>    - Jenkins uses SPI to accept donations. Soon SPI will no longer 
>>>>>    accept donations to Jenkins due as a part of the transition to CDF. 
>>>>> The 
>>>>>    exact date is TBD, but the decision has been already made in Spring 
>>>>> 2019 as 
>>>>>    communicated by Tracy Miranda
>>>>>    - We also accept donations through ffis.de, but the status is 
>>>>>    unknown (WEBSITE-703 
>>>>>    <https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/WEBSITE-703> tracks the 
>>>>>    investigation). It is also not clear whether they have Jenkins money 
>>>>> on 
>>>>>    their accounts and how to access them
>>>>>    - CommunityBridge Funding site 
>>>>>    <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/jenkins> is enabled 
>>>>>    for mentorship donations only as a part of Governance Meeting 
>>>>> decisions in 
>>>>>    July 2019). We used it to dry-run the JCasC Dev Tools project 
>>>>>    <https://jenkins.io/projects/jcasc/dev-tools/> this year, and it 
>>>>>    works pretty well (except the SPI => LF transfer part which was the 
>>>>> major 
>>>>>    obstacle for the mentee payments).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Suggested changes*
>>>>>    
>>>>>    - Update "Your contribution is not used for paying personnel " to 
>>>>>    be explicit that the Jenkins project might use money to sponsor 
>>>>>    limited-term work on the project: outreach initiatives, addressing 
>>>>>    mission-critical topics (e.g. INFRA needs) or facilitating projects 
>>>>>    required for the Jenkins future' (e.g. JCasC, Cloud Native Jenkins, 
>>>>> etc.) 
>>>>>       - All such projects will need to be approved by the Governance 
>>>>>       meeting 
>>>>>       - The payments should be limited to reasonable amounts so that 
>>>>>       it is "facilitating contributions / mentorship" but not a 
>>>>> fully-paid job. 
>>>>>       E.g. GSoC stipends 
>>>>>       
>>>>> <https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/student-stipends> 
>>>>> could 
>>>>>       be used as a reference
>>>>>    - Enable CommunityBridge-based sponsorship for all available 
>>>>>    categories: Development, Marketing, Meetups, Bug Bounty, Travel and 
>>>>>    Documentation. We update documentation to mark it as a default 
>>>>> donations 
>>>>>    way.
>>>>>       - It will enable organization payments and also small monthly 
>>>>>       donations by individuals in the Patreon style. E.g. see CHAOSS 
>>>>>       <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/chaoss>, Manjaro 
>>>>>       <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/manjaro> or KiCAD 
>>>>>       
>>>>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/06d36004-70a3-4f1f-8ae3-d0b2dd98815d>
>>>>>       - As a risk for this plan, Core Infrastructure Initiative 
>>>>>       <https://www.coreinfrastructure.org/> certification is expected 
>>>>>       for projects on Community Bridge in long term. I got clarification 
>>>>> from 
>>>>>       Linux Foundation that it is not a blocker at the moment. See 
>>>>>       INFRA-2396 <https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-2396> for 
>>>>>       the context
>>>>>       - CommunityBridge allows donations to be designated to 
>>>>>       particular areas so that donors can decide what they sponsor
>>>>>       - In the future I would suggest to allow targeted sponsoring of 
>>>>>       big changes as outreach projects. It is way of the scope for this 
>>>>> thread, 
>>>>>       so I will create a follow-up once I am ready 
>>>>>    - Mark SPI-based donations as deprecated. Even if they continue to 
>>>>>    work, reimbursements from SPI and transferring money from SPI to Linux 
>>>>>    Foundation is a lengthy process due to the SPI activist-driven model. 
>>>>> SPI 
>>>>>    helped the project A LOT, but the payments experience should improve 
>>>>> since 
>>>>>    Linux Foundation has full-time employees responsible for payments
>>>>>    - Investigate the status of ffis.de and update the documentation 
>>>>>    accordingly. Mark as deprecated in the case of doubt
>>>>>
>>>>> This proposal does not include raising visibility of the donations 
>>>>> page. But we can definitely do it once the new flow is set up and 
>>>>> battle-tested.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is a consensus and approval at the next governance meeting, I 
>>>>> will proceed by setting up a PoC and creating a JEP draft for funding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your time,
>>>>> Oleg Nenashev
>>>>>
>>>>>
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