on 7/12/01 6:08 PM, "burtonator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Jon Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>> on 7/11/01 5:39 PM, "burtonator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> For starters... don't put words in my mouth. Did I say that Jetspeed sucks?
>>> No. I was very careful not to even *remotely* give that impression.
>>
>> "I do not believe this is the future of this technology."
>
> Ah yes.. This carefully worded sentence explains your confusion.
>
>>> I want you to think of this. If I proposed an alternative architecture and
>>> called it Jetspeed 2.0 would your reaction have been so extreme? I don't
>>> think so.
>>
>> Correct. Why? Because it would have you attempting to be a part of this
>> project and not some concoction that you came up with yourself.
>
> Don't you think this is illogical? It doesn't matter where you innovate just
> that it is done in an open manner.
An open manner would have been joining this group (not that I'm sure they
would even want you back) and participating in a group development.
Especially since this group is already covering what you intend to cover.
>>> 1. Turbine is not dual licensed and is not available under the GPL. Huge
>>> restriction to my freedoms. IE I can't use it when I put on my GPL hat.
>>
>> Bullshit. I already told you that the ASF's view is that the two licenses
>> are compatible.
>
> Again... Doesn't matter what the ASF thinks. It matters what the FSF (and
> Stallman) thinks.
Bullshit. The ASF is a legal foundation and can make decisions for its own
code. If the ASF says that the licenses are compatible, then it is up to the
FSF to sue the ASF. Do you really think that Stallman is that stupid?
> I think you miss the point:
>
> - - say you are right. What happens? Nothing. You get to use the BSD
>
> - - say I am right. What happpens? Both licenses can be used by both camps
> and everyone is happy.
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Woah Kevin, you didn't even read what you wrote.
If you have a single unrestrictive OPEN (not FREE) license on the software,
then you don't need to dual license things. Period.
>>> 3. I have not had time to work within the ASF because I am spending all my
>>> time
>>> working on OpenPrivacy. Hopefully this will change soon.
>>
>> Lame excuse.
>
> yeah... right. Spending 15 hours a day working on OpenPrivacy stuff certainly
> allows me plenty fo time to work within the ASF.
> <snip>
Bullshit.
If you had used Turbine as your framework, then that would have counted as
part of your 15 hours a day. HELLO? I am working on an Issue Tracking system
in another project on another server (scarab.tigris.org) and I'm using
Turbine as the basis for it. Somehow I have time during my 15 hours a day to
work on ASF stuff.
> Not by my definition. I don't see Ant, Velocity etc as being anything other
> than a revolution which is 6 months out. These are also tools which impact a
> very small percentage of the population.
What the hell are you talking about?
Ant is one of the most widely used Java build systems around today. Nearly
every project (including your own) uses it.
Tomcat gets 100,000k downloads a MONTH!
> The work we are doing under OpenPrivacy is at least on a 10 year timespan and
> should affect the entire population of the Internet. ... THAT is a
> revolution.
Dude, I haven't seen you even get close to finishing a single project yet. I
haven't even seen you be stable anywhere yet.
My confidence that you will be working on OP.org for the next 10 years is
currently at -10000000000.
> Yeah... you are right. What was I thinking. The work I did on Jetspeed was
> terrible and everyone should stop using/working on it.
Yup.
> Oh wait... don't think that will happen because a lot of people like Jetspeed
> and want to see it move forward.
A large portion of the code that you did on Jetspeed has long since been
replaced.
> I hope the Jetspeed team continues and succeeds with all their goals. The
> only differences WRT Reptile/Jetspeed are that Reptile has a broader set of
> goals (IMO) and we just have an architecture philosophy difference.
Good luck yourself. Maybe this time you will actually finish something
within the next 10 years...
-jon
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