since top posting seems to be the preference here...

please note that my efforts to build source tree ensued only after 
failure with the precompiled jetspeed.war (1.4b1, i believe)  hope i 
didn't infer that jetspeed itself was slacking.  i think this is more 
of a java, rather than jetspeed, thing.  my experience thus far has 
been little to no help from more than one source approached in an 
effort to track this down.  seems like there are all these parts and 
nobody really knows how they are supposed to play together, just that 
they do in a perfect world.  when the world is less than perfect the 
default seems to be pointing the finger elsewhere and saying it's not 
my issue...

shooting from the hip a bit here, as i've not been into java long enough 
to be forming firm imperssions, but am rather reporting my initial 
perceptions thus far.  ymmv...  and i'm not trolling for a my language 
is better than yours flame war.  i'd just like to figure the damn thing 
out.

that i'm having a classpath issue has definitley occured to me, but my 
classpath is set in my shell environment, and is apparenly inherited 
during the build.  so how do i track the problem further??  the fbsd 
crimson port used to install jaxp.jar in /usr/local/share/java/classes, 
but does so no longer, as install advises thusly:

The following jar file has been installed:

  /usr/local/share/java/classes/crimson.jar

Add it to your CLASSPATH to use JAXP.

NOTE:
  If you used previous versions of crimson, please note that there is
  now only one jar file, crimson.jar.  You should remove the old port
  and any references to the jaxp.jar to avoid confusion.

thus ant apparently becomes broken since it relies on crimson as 
dependncy...

so am i supposed to remove all reference to jaxp.jar in the source?? 
(i'm being facetious here....) 



On Tuesday 15 October 2002 07:15 pm, Brad Straw wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I'm not that daring and dare say not a java expert in any stretch of
> the imagination (really only about a year in java).  I don't try to
> build any of the cvs versions.  I simply wait for a formal release. 
> I am using 1.3a2 as an application framework and use application
> portlets as components of the overall solution.
>
> When things didn't work, classpath issues usually were the source of
> the problem.  Given what I've seen in other portal products, open
> source or vendor-supported, jetspeed is no slacker.
>
> Ken Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Tuesday 15 October 2002 05:38 pm, David Sean Taylor wrote:
> >> From your email it appears that you didn't get your jdbc driver to
> >> connect, or perhaps couldn't find the driver at all.
> >> Can't help wondering if its just not a simple classpath problem.
> >>  Oh well..
> >>
> >> Horrible Exception: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
> >>
> >>
> >> I believe there is a php nuke portal server available
> >> PC Mag gave it a nice review
> >> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,383290,00.asp
> >> Maybe that will be a better fit for your portal needs
> >>
> >> Hey, its not worth losing hair over!
> >>
> >> Best of luck, let us know how it turns out
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Ken Gunderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 4:13 PM
> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Subject: thanks for the memories-- see ya
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > cms led me to cofax, which led me to jetspeed, which led me to
> >> > java-- the promised land.  i failed to heed the warnings of
> >> > those who had gone before me and gave it a shot.  after close to
> >> > 2 weeks i am now near bald and giving up.  sincere thanks to
> >> > Raffaele, the _ONE_ person on this list responded to my post fo
> >> > assistance. conclusion--the folks on php, python, and ruby lists
> >> > have it right--  java sounds good intheory but fails to deliver
> >> > on the promises.  well, i'm stubborn i guess and had to learn
> >> > for myself....
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Best Wishes,
> >> >
> >> > Ken Gunderson
> >> >
> >> > --
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> >
> >$ echo $CLASSPATH
> >/usr/local/share/java/classes/
> >
> >$ ll /usr/local/share/java/classes/
> >total 3880
> >drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel    1024 Oct 15 13:29 .
> >drwxr-xr-x  6 root  wheel     512 Oct 15 13:25 ..
> >lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel      48 Oct 15 13:24 activation.jar ->
> >/usr/local/share/java/jaf-1.0.1_1/activation.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  491551 Oct 15 13:29 bcel.jar
> >-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  299354 Oct 15 10:56
> > checkstyle-all-2.4.jar -r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  205045 Oct 14
> > 02:43 crimson.jar
> >lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel      45 Oct 15 13:25 imap.jar ->
> >/usr/local/share/java/javamail-1.2_1/imap.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel   65378 Oct 14 07:50 jakarta-oro.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel   29871 Oct 14 07:49 jakarta-regexp.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel    6727 Oct 14 07:46 jdbc2_0-stdext.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel   19146 Oct 14 08:48 jdbcpool.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel    8674 Oct 14 07:46 jta-spec1_0_1.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  121070 Oct 14 08:16 junit.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  350677 Oct 14 08:07 log4j-1.2.7.jar
> >lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel      45 Oct 15 13:25 mail.jar ->
> >/usr/local/share/java/javamail-1.2_1/mail.jar
> >lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel      48 Oct 15 13:25 mailapi.jar ->
> >/usr/local/share/java/javamail-1.2_1/mailapi.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  120929 Oct 14 07:46 mm.mysql-2.0.14.jar
> >lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel      45 Oct 15 13:25 pop3.jar ->
> >/usr/local/share/java/javamail-1.2_1/pop3.jar
> >lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel      45 Oct 15 13:25 smtp.jar ->
> >/usr/local/share/java/javamail-1.2_1/smtp.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  906248 Oct 14 08:33 xalan.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  972027 Oct 14 08:26 xercesImpl.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  108484 Oct 14 08:33 xml-apis.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel   87331 Oct 14 08:26 xmlParserAPIs.jar
> >
> >kgunders@cochise ~
> >$ echo $JAVA_HOME
> >/usr/local/jdk1.3.1
> >
> >$ echo $TOMCAT_HOME
> >/usr/local/jakarta-tomcat4.1
> >
> >$ echo $CATALINA_HOME
> >/usr/local/jakarta-tomcat4.1
> >
> >but hey since i upgraded ant, i cannot even build jetspeed
> > anymore.....
> >
> >cochise# pwd
> >/usr/local/jakarta-ant-1.5.1/lib
> >cochise# ll
> >total 2316
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel     682 Oct 14 07:32 README
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  717666 Oct 14 07:32 ant.jar
> >lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel      25 Oct 15 16:27 crimson.jar ->
> >../../classes/crimson.jar
> >lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel      22 Oct 15 16:27 jaxp.jar ->
> >../../classes/jaxp.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  654735 Oct 14 07:32 optional.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  831473 Oct 14 07:32 xercesImpl.jar
> >-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  108484 Oct 14 07:32 xml-apis.jar
> >
> >cochise# ll ../../classes
> >ls: ../../classes: No such file or directory
> >
> >but hey-- this is the way the fbsd ant maintainer says its supposed
> > to be:
> >
> ><http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=32546>, so i guess i've
> > been hosed and closed....  trying to build jetspeed from source
> > yeilds following:
> >
> >cochise# pwd
> >/usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed/build
> >cochise# ll
> >total 132
> >drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel    512 Oct 15 13:32 CVS
> >drwxr-xr-x  3 root  wheel    512 Oct 15 13:32 bin
> >-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  18339 May 25  2001 build-tests-22.xml
> >-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   9107 May 25  2001 build-tests-23.xml
> >-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel   2304 Nov 26  2001 build.bat
> >-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel    991 Apr  5  2002 build.properties
> >-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel   2487 Sep 21  2001 build.sh
> >-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  54455 Sep 15 10:18 build.xml
> >drwxr-xr-x  9 root  wheel    512 Oct 15 13:32 cactus
> >-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel    264 Aug 21 19:09 checkstyle.properties
> >drwxr-xr-x  3 root  wheel    512 Oct 15 13:32 devel
> >drwxr-xr-x  3 root  wheel    512 Oct 15 13:34 lib
> >-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel    190 Jun 26  2000 setlocalpath.bat
> >drwxr-xr-x  7 root  wheel    512 Oct 15 14:04 torque
> >-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  23689 Oct 15 14:05 velocity.log
> >cochise# ./build.sh war
> >Buildfile: build.xml
> >
> >init:
> >     [echo] ---------- Jetspeed Portal Implementation 1.4b2-dev
> >----------
> >
> >     [echo] java.class.path =
> >/usr/local/share/java/classes:../build/lib/ant-1.5-optional.jar:../b
> >uild/lib/ant-1.5.jar:../build/lib/cactus-22-1.2.jar:../build/lib/cac
> >tus-23-1.2.jar:../build/lib/cactus-ant-1.2.jar:../build/lib/httpclie
> >nt.jar:../build/lib/junit.jar:../build/lib/log4j-core.jar:../build/l
> >ib/xercesImpl.jar:../build/lib/xml-apis.jar:../lib/castor-0.9.3.jar:
> >../lib/commons-beanutils-1.4.1.jar:../lib/commons-collections-2.0.ja
> >r:../lib/commons-configuration-1.0-dev.jar:../lib/commons-dbcp-1.0-d
> >ev-20020806.jar:../lib/commons-lang-1.0.jar:../lib/commons-logging-1
> >.0.2.jar:../lib/commons-pool-1.0.jar:../lib/ecs-1.4.1.jar:../lib/ful
> >crum-3.0-b2-dev.jar:../lib/jcs-1.0-dev.jar:../lib/jdbc-se2.0.jar:../
> >lib/log4j-1.2.6.jar:../lib/mail.jar:../lib/ojb-0.7.343.jar:../lib/se
> >rvlet_2_2.jar:../lib/soap.jar:../lib/stratum-1.0-b4-dev.jar:../lib/t
> >orque-3.0-b5-dev.jar:../lib/turbine-2.2-b4-dev.jar:../lib/uddi4j.jar
> >:../lib/velocity-1.3.jar:../lib/village-1.5.3.jar:../lib/xalan-2.3.1
> >.jar:../lib/xerces-2.0.2.jar:../lib/xml-apis-2.0.2.jar:/usr/local/jd
> >k1.3.1/lib/tools.jar
> >
> >     [echo] java.home = /usr/local/jdk1.3.1/jre
> >     [echo] ant.home = build
> >     [echo] user.home = /root
> >
> >     [echo] basedir = /usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed
> >
> >     [echo] cactus-22.jar = build/lib/cactus-22-1.2.jar
> >     [echo] cactus-23.jar = build/lib/cactus-23-1.2.jar
> >     [echo] cactus.ant.jar = build/lib/cactus-ant-1.2.jar
> >     [echo] junit.jar = build/lib/junit.jar
> >     [echo] build.compiler = ${build.compiler}
> >     [echo] locale.default = en
> >
> >prepare_apis:
> >
> >apis:
> >   [delete] Deleting 16 files from
> >/usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed/src/java/org/apache/jetspeed/xml/api
> >/jcm [java] -- Suppressing non fatal warnings.
> >    [javac] Compiling 16 source files to
> >/usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed/bin/classes
> >    [javac] Note: Some input files use or override a deprecated API.
> >    [javac] Note: Recompile with -deprecation for details.
> >
> >check_om:
> >
> >om:
> >
> >check_dbpsml:
> >
> >dbpsml:
> >
> >check_for_checkstyle:
> >
> >checkstyle_prepare_error:
> >     [echo]
> >     [echo]             The style checker checkStyle is not present,
> >thus no
> >     [echo]             style checking will be performed.
> >     [echo]
> >     [echo]             You can get checkStyle Release 2.3 from:
> >     [echo]                <http://checkstyle.sourceforge.net>
> >     [echo]
> >
> >checkstyle_check_code:
> >
> >checkstyle:
> >
> >compile:
> >    [javac] Compiling 506 source files to
> >/usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed/bin/classes
> >    [javac]
> >/usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed/src/java/org/apache/jetspeed/util/Si
> >mpleTransform.java:62: cannot resolve symbol
> >    [javac] symbol  : class TransformerFactory
> >    [javac] location: package transform
> >    [javac] import javax.xml.transform.TransformerFactory;
> >    [javac]                            ^
> >    [javac]
> >/usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed/src/java/org/apache/jetspeed/util/Si
> >mpleTransform.java:63: cannot resolve symbol
> >    [javac] symbol  : class Transformer
> >    [javac] location: package transform
> >    [javac] import javax.xml.transform.Transformer;
> >    [javac]                            ^
> >    [javac]
> >/usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed/src/java/org/apache/jetspeed/util/Si
> >mpleTransform.java:64: cannot resolve symbol
> >    [javac] symbol  : class Templates
> >    [javac] location: package transform
> >    [javac] import javax.xml.transform.Templates;
> >
> >
> ><mondo snippage>
> >
> >    [javac]
> >/usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed/src/java/org/apache/jetspeed/util/Si
> >mpleTransform.java:481: cannot resolve symbol
> >    [javac] symbol  : class SAXSource
> >    [javac] location: class org.apache.jetspeed.util.SimpleTransform
> >    [javac]                 final SAXSource xinput = new SAXSource(
> > is );
> >    [javac]                       ^
> >    [javac]
> >/usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed/src/java/org/apache/jetspeed/util/Si
> >mpleTransform.java:481: cannot resolve symbol
> >    [javac] symbol  : class SAXSource
> >    [javac] location: class org.apache.jetspeed.util.SimpleTransform
> >    [javac]                 final SAXSource xinput = new SAXSource(
> > is );
> >    [javac]                                              ^
> >    [javac]
> >/usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed/src/java/org/apache/jetspeed/util/Si
> >mpleTransform.java:496: cannot resolve symbol
> >    [javac] symbol: class StreamResult
> >    [javac]                                                      new
> >StreamResult( pw ) );
> >    [javac]                                                        
> >  ^ [javac] Note: Some input files use or override a deprecated API.
> > [javac] Note: Recompile with -deprecation for details.
> >    [javac] 48 errors
> >
> >BUILD FAILED
> >file:/usr/local/src/jakarta-jetspeed/build/build.xml:290: Compile
> >failed; see the compiler error output for details.
> >
> >so whether i try installing from precompiled war or compile, i am
> > hosed. i wanted to learn a bit about java, not require a ph.d.
> > before i could begin to figure anything out.
> >
> >as far as the php nukes go-- php nuke has security ongoing security
> >issues, post-nuke forked and could be cool, except one of the lead
> >developers behind the fork got killed in car crash.  additional dev
> >disagreements have led to yet another fork, so who knows where
> >post-nuke is going...   xoops.org is php and oo based, uses the
> > smarty template engine, and shows promise but is too immature yet.
> >  could have had phpgroupware up and running 100 times, but, hey, i
> > wanted to have a learning experience.... the curve seems rather
> > steep, however....
> >
> >my post was that i am a jetspeed newbie, not that i was clueless.
> >  by way of a bit of background: been a unix sysadmin for some years
> > and experienced on both i386 and the big iron.  primarily fbsd on
> > the i386 and hp-ux on the big iron, but also experienced to some
> > degree with redhat, debian, and slow-aris.  used to think i was
> > reasonably intelligent as well.  something is fundamentally wrong
> > here if i am having so much difficulty making this app run, which
> > is not to say the problem is not on my end, as it probbaly is.  i
> > am a tenacious sort and hate to give up on this because, like i
> > said in my initial post, jetspeed looks cool.  i'm willing to stick
> > with it a bit longer if i can get some help pointing me in the
> > right direction, but at this point i am chasing my tail in circles
> > and at a loss as to where i need to go next on my own without first
> > settling down to learning java...  sorry about the rant, but i am
> > not accustomed to not being able to figure things like this out.
> >
> >thanks for your time.
> >
> >--
> >Regards,
> >
> >Ken Gunderson
> >
> >p.s. cool domain name-
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