But, while you are "playing around," make absolutely certain not to press, say Windows Key L. This is especially important if you have six files open, and there was not time to save any of them. Yes, that is an exaggerated example, but...
-----Original Message----- From: Dale Alton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 23:58 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching I have to put my 2 cents worth in now. I feel some of the comments have been flagarently Wrong. I feel if it is a windows command it will make some thing change in winodows and not make jaws work. For example if you press "windows key+e" it opens the windows explorer but jaws just speaks what it opens. When you press a jaws command it tells jaws to do a specific command. If it doesn't tell jaws to do some thing then it has to be windows. I can't think of a jaws command that might be mistaken for a windows command. If it envovles the number pad you know it isn't windows but jaws. If causes the computer to do some thing it is windows. Play around what's the worse that is going to happen? You learn your computer better?s Denver Dale -----Original Message----- From: Gary King [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 9:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching Well, right after I posted the below message, I thought of exceptions to the rule. Quick Keys in browsers are JAWS keystrokes that don't have the JAWS Key in combination with them. So, I guess you could say that it's a general rule with some exceptions. I think it's still a good rule though for telling JAWS keystrokes from Windows keystrokes. Gary King [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary King" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching > Laura, > Windows keystrokes do not involve the JAWS Key, while JAWS keystrokes do. > Can anyone think of exceptions? > > Gary King > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laura Richardson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize > when teaching > > > Hello, > > This may seem like a dumb question but I�ll ask it anyway ...... When > using keystrokes to perform certain tasks, could someone tell me how I > know if that is a Windows keystroke or a Jaws keystroke? I use Windows 7 > and Jaws 15. > > Laura > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize > when teaching > > Brian, I think that we need to know Windows strokes, since we are working > in a Windows system, but, as blind users, it is imperative for us to know > JAWS specific strokes. That is why, for us, there is so much more to learn > to get maximum use from our computers. > > Bye for now, > > Carolyn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Vogel [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 6:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when > teaching > > [Edited Message Follows] > > Hello All, > > What follows is a rather philosophical question but that > certainly has practical implications that the cohort will know about a lot > more personally than I ever can. Hence this is the place to ask. > > When I tutor on using JAWS I do not focus exclusively on JAWS and > its keystrokes because JAWS hovers on top of all other Windows programs > and assists in using those. My philosophy is that I want my clients to > know as many, if not more, keyboard shortcuts that are universally, or > very close to universally, applicable in all Windows programs. I want > them to know that, in almost all cases, ALT+F opens the file menu or > equivalent, followed by S saves a file, followed by A does a Save as, etc. > > One of my clients, with whom I had a marathon 3.25 hour tutoring > session yesterday, is relatively new to using Windows Live Mail as well as > using PDF XChange viewer to perform OCR on the many image PDFs that still > get thrown his way. As a result, I worked him through certain tasks > step-by-step and create instructions in the same format, examples of which > will follow. It was only when we were conversing afterward, and he used > the phrase JAWS keyboard shortcuts when talking about conventional Windows > keyboard shortcuts that I thought it important that he had at least a > basic understanding that keyboard shortcuts do differ in what program > layer, JAWS versus a give Windows program, is responsible for the > interpretation of same. I want him to understand how to apply Windows > keyboard shortcuts "by extension" when he is playing around with a Windows > program that's new to him. Is this a mistake to try to make this > distinction? Is it unwise to not focus nearly exclusively on JAWS > keyboard shortcuts for functions that also exist independently as a > different Windows keyboard shortcut? I'd love to get the perspective of > those who would know the pluses and minuses of leaning one way or another. > > What follows are a couple of examples of the step-by-step > instruction sets I've created, and they look more complicated than they > actually are because I try to break things down into simple single steps. > Once you know what you're doing most of these tasks can be done in a few > moments. I'll include the instructions for running OCR with PDF XChange > Viewer because it may be helpful to some here who have decided to play > with that program. All focus almost exclusively on using WIndows keyboard > shortcuts for the program in question with JAWS serving the role of > narrating what's happening while you do this. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Using PDF XChange Viewer to perform OCR on any PDF you receive that is an > image PDF, step-by-step: > > 1. Open PDF XChange Viewer from your start menu. > > 2. Hit ALT+F,O to bring up the file open browsing dialog. > > 3. Hit ALT+I to jump directly to the Look In combo box > > 4. Hit down arrow to get into the area that�s somewhat, but not > exactly, like the tree view in Windows Explorer. > > 5. Hit L until you hear, �Libraries,� announced. > > 6. Hit TAB two times, you should hear, �Documents�. > > 7. Hit SPACEBAR to select the Documents library. > > 8. Hit ENTER to open the documents library. > > 9. Hit the first character of the folder or file name you�re trying to > perform OCR on. Keep doing this with the first character until you hear > its name announced. > > 10. Hit Enter to open the file or folder. If you�re > dealing with a file at this step go straight to step 11. Otherwise, do > the following > > a. If you know the file is in this folder then use the �hit the first > character� technique to locate it and jump to step 11 once you have. > > b. If you need to drill down another folder level go back to step 9. > > 11. Hit ALT+O to open the file in PDF XChange > Viewer. > > 12. Hit CTRL+SHIFT+C to open the OCR dialog box. > Immediately hit ENTER to initiate the OCR processing. The length of time > this takes depends on the size of the file being processed. JAWS does not > read the processing status box, but will announce the file�s name with > star after it when the processing completes. That�s how you�ll know it�s > done. > > 13. Hit ALT+F,S to save the file and its OCR text > into the original file itself. > > 14. Hit ALT+F4 to close PDF XChange Viewer. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Creating a new folder in Windows Explorer, step-by-step: > > 1. Open Windows Explorer and navigate to the folder location in which > you wish to create the new folder. > > 2. Hit ALT+F,W,F to create the new folder itself. > > 3. Type in the name you want for the new folder you�re creating. > > 4. Hit ENTER to make that new name stick, and you�re done. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To find a specific e-mail message in WLM, step-by-step: > > 1. Hit ALT+O,FI which opens the message find submenu > > 2. You are presented with two choices in this submenu: Find Text and > Find Message. I will cover each of these briefly. > > 3. Find Text presents a dialog box allows you to enter a word, words, > or phrase that you know is somewhere within the message you�re trying to > find. Simply enter that text and skip to step 5. > > 4. Find Message presents you with a dialog box with a number of > possible attributes of the message you might want to search on, e.g., > Subject, From, To, and others. Tab through and fill in whichever of these > attributes you wish to include in the search. After you�ve filled in > whichever are pertinent, go to step 5. > > 5. Hit ALT+I to activate the Find Now key. This will cause a dialog > box to come up with the list of messages that match whatever you searched > on, if any exist. These are presented very much like your inbox message > list, but are composed only of messages that match the search criteria you > entered. When you hear the one you�re interested in as you move through > them, hit ENTER to open it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to [email protected] Archives located at: http://www.groups.io/g/jfw/threads Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html If you have any concerns about the list, posts received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at [email protected]. -=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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