Hi Brian thanks for saying what you said here. I have read all the messages in this group of emails. We as users learn new things by trying or something not working at the time. I only wish things didn’t have to change. We learn the things we use daily. I can do a keyboard command a few times and remember it always if using within daily use. I can say using something within our daily life helps us remember it fully.
I will say I don’t mean that we use every command daily but within the short time. I have friends who wonder how I remember how to make a new folder in outlook 2013 and don’t even have to think about it. I can do this also with JAWS keyboard commands. I learn and use it and I won’t forget. Now only use once a year or twice a year and I do forget. I don’t remember how to spell but keyboards commands are so easy for me. I believe learning is easier for some than others. So some can write wonderfully and some remember keyboard commands and can just do them. One thing is when learning the commands knowing if computer commands or JAWS commands. When you can’t see. I learned at first that JAWS had its own key that you added other keys with. So my trainer helped me that way. She asked me after learning how to do something what was JAWS commands and the computer commands so I learned very early the differences and that was very smart of her. There isn’t any perfect way to learn and there are so many different ways to do the same thing. So I take when learning I ask for how people do the same thing and find the way I like to do it. I keep in my mind when helping others if they can’t learn my way to show them another way and they learn that my way is most less keys overall but I still read all emails and see if there is an faster way to do the same thing. Louise and princess Kiara From: Brian Vogel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: January 9, 2016 6:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching Kelly, You are indeed correct. I hasten to add that I do not, and never have, attempted to teach any client the exhaustive list of either JAWS commands or keyboard shortcuts for the Windows programs they're using. As I pointed out earlier relative to myself, even I don't know anywhere near to all of these. I let the client's actual needs as I work with them guide just precisely what gets taught in terms of the weird detailed keyboard shortcuts that virtually no sighted person ever uses but that they must use if they wish to independently perform task X. I'm also big on the "teach a man or woman to fish" approach to JAWS and Windows, so that when I'm no longer present they are able to do a reasonable amount of digging and exploration on their own. I do less of this than I'd actually like to because I often have to focus on a list of immediate and pressing needs related to what the client needs to accomplish NOW (or yesterday). I will take issue with your statement about blind users and the number of keyboard shortcuts they can manage in their heads. Virtually every proficient blind computer user I know manages a large number of keyboard shortcuts in their head, far more than I do teaching them, because I learn them to teach them, while they learn them to use them and tend to build upon that list as more and more tasks are required over a period of years. I'd be shocked if it isn't hundreds, plural, for some of the really, really proficient. Brian
