Brian, I was speaking about typical student performance not the capacity of blind people. Some people are fluent in six languages, but this is very few. Travel and tourism companies would be foolish to believe that most travelers are fluent in the world’s most commonly spoken languages. While a few blind people have memorized many hundreds of keyboard shortcuts, it would be folly to believe most blind people need or want to invest the time to learn hundreds of keyboard shortcuts and are facile with many software programs. The learning curve to master adaptive technology used by the blind is steep. Most blind people have other interests than learning technology and decide to learn what they need to know rather than comprehensively know everything about a software application. They could learn hundreds of keyboard shortcuts like people learning six languages but choose to do other things with their time.
This is all said because you seem to focus on students learning detailed recipes of keyboard shortcuts like the examples you posted rather than a system of understanding screen reading technology that would be used when you are no longer in the student’s life. A few months ago, I was transferred to a new job where I needed to learn Excel for the first time. I had never used Excel before and taught myself the program well enough to surpass the expectations in my new job. This was possible because I knew how to learn JAWS and Windows functions and adapt to new software not because a trainer at one time provided long lists of keyboard sequences for me to use sometime in the future but because I learned key functions of JAWS, windows and common applications in addition to Windows shortcuts. My employer expected me to figure out the software and the accessibility I needed to do the job, not to turn around and tell them to hire a trainer to teach me Excel because I only knew Windows. Kelly On 1/9/16, Louise Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Brian thanks for saying what you said here. I have read all the messages > in this group of emails. We as users learn new things by trying or something > not working at the time. I only wish things didn’t have to change. We learn > the things we use daily. I can do a keyboard command a few times and > remember it always if using within daily use. I can say using something > within our daily life helps us remember it fully. > > > > I will say I don’t mean that we use every command daily but within the short > time. > > > > I have friends who wonder how I remember how to make a new folder in outlook > 2013 and don’t even have to think about it. > > > > I can do this also with JAWS keyboard commands. I learn and use it and I > won’t forget. Now only use once a year or twice a year and I do forget. > > > > I don’t remember how to spell but keyboards commands are so easy for me. > > > > I believe learning is easier for some than others. So some can write > wonderfully and some remember keyboard commands and can just do them. > > > > One thing is when learning the commands knowing if computer commands or JAWS > commands. When you can’t see. I learned at first that JAWS had its own key > that you added other keys with. So my trainer helped me that way. She asked > me after learning how to do something what was JAWS commands and the > computer commands so I learned very early the differences and that was very > smart of her. > > > > There isn’t any perfect way to learn and there are so many different ways to > do the same thing. So I take when learning I ask for how people do the same > thing and find the way I like to do it. I keep in my mind when helping > others if they can’t learn my way to show them another way and they learn > that my way is most less keys overall but I still read all emails and see if > there is an faster way to do the same thing. > > > > Louise and princess Kiara > > > > > > From: Brian Vogel [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: January 9, 2016 6:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize > when teaching > > > > Kelly, > > You are indeed correct. I hasten to add that I do not, and never > have, attempted to teach any client the exhaustive list of either JAWS > commands or keyboard shortcuts for the Windows programs they're using. As > I pointed out earlier relative to myself, even I don't know anywhere near to > all of these. I let the client's actual needs as I work with them guide > just precisely what gets taught in terms of the weird detailed keyboard > shortcuts that virtually no sighted person ever uses but that they must use > if they wish to independently perform task X. > > I'm also big on the "teach a man or woman to fish" approach to > JAWS and Windows, so that when I'm no longer present they are able to do a > reasonable amount of digging and exploration on their own. I do less of > this than I'd actually like to because I often have to focus on a list of > immediate and pressing needs related to what the client needs to accomplish > NOW (or yesterday). > > I will take issue with your statement about blind users and the > number of keyboard shortcuts they can manage in their heads. Virtually > every proficient blind computer user I know manages a large number of > keyboard shortcuts in their head, far more than I do teaching them, because > I learn them to teach them, while they learn them to use them and tend to > build upon that list as more and more tasks are required over a period of > years. I'd be shocked if it isn't hundreds, plural, for some of the really, > really proficient. > > Brian > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to [email protected] Archives located at: http://www.groups.io/g/jfw/threads Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html If you have any concerns about the list, posts received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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