On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 07:35 am, Carolyn Arnold <[email protected]> 
wrote:
 My husband, career graphic arts and electronics instructors says that it 
appears to him that there are times where information appears that can't be 
reached, or that I would have no way of knowing  that it is present. 
 Carolyn,

             Thanks for the confirmation.  I understand that this occurs, 
however I often really don't know exactly when it occurs and, when it does 
occur, whether the issue is that it can't be reached or that a screen reader 
user has no way of knowing it's present or if something can't be activated when 
reached.  I never knew that getting to the Chrome menu button, AKA hamburger 
stack button, was a hellish proposition until that was identified to me.  Last 
night I figured out how to get there using NVDA because if someone's going to 
use Chrome they have to have access to that button and I knew that there simply 
had to be a way to get there.

             To the cohort, if I toss something out there that you didn't know 
was present, but that you also can't reach even if you know its present, or 
can't activate something even if you can reach it that's something I've got to 
know if I'm to have any hope of trying to move forward in seeking a solution, 
if one exists.  I never mean to offer information that no one can use, but I 
also can't do the proverbial "mind reading" to know how or why something may 
not be usable.  Tell me that it's not and, if possible, how it's not, and I'll 
keep on charging forward to find a way to make it accessible.  Being sighted, 
however, I'll try to make accessible to you the same things that I see on 
screen and that the various programs present visually to me or anyone else 
who's likely to get involved who can see.  That is my primary frame of 
reference and the one I'll use as the entry point in virtually all 
circumstances.  I can't help but do that.

Brian

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