That is unfortunately true. Accessibility is our problem. When I worked, I bought my own Optacon and Vocal Eyes.
Bye for now, Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 1:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity Adrian, Sorry but I agree with Brian on the issue of captures. They solved an actual problem and sad to say the slice of potential customers unable to deal with them is small enough that I can well see companies having better things to focus on. Companies don't _owe_ us anything. On 2/4/16, Adrian Spratt <[email protected]> wrote: > Brian, > > Many considerate people subscribe to this list, as demonstrated yet > again today. We naturally appreciate some useful suggestions you’ve > made and some of the discussions you’ve initiated, such as on > differences between visual and JAWS navigation. > > However, I have misgivings about someone who presents himself as a > computer trainer for visually impaired people but who is comfortable > giving second place to accessibility. In the recent CAPTCHA thread, > you wrote, “My refusal to say accessibility trumps all is no accident, > and I make no apology for believing that.” No one was suggesting that > “accessibility trumps all,” but many of us believe that access should > be equal. When another lister stated this position on CAPTCHA, you > dismissed her as “emotional.” For those of us who have fought much of > our professional lives to bring about equal access to technology, such > an attitude is distressing, above all when displayed by someone who is > paid to assist disabled people. It is equivalent to telling > African-Americans in the fifties that they must wait for their time > and stay in the back of the bus. Instructors for disabled people should be > telling their clients, “go get ‘em,” not, “Resign yourself to second class > status.” > > You say you’re seeking suggestions for improving your teaching > methods, but you appear to disregard the obvious ones. People suggest > you work with a blank screen at least some of the time, but you > resist. You don’t have JAWS on your own system, presumably because of > the cost, but you ignore a poster’s earlier suggestion that you run JAWS in > forty-minute mode for free. > Many suggestions you post come with the proviso that you haven’t > tested them with JAWS. I’m curious: Are you certified to teach JAWS? > > There are a number of JAWS trainers on this list, and I think, and > certainly hope, that some are sighted. They all make invaluable > contributions. None of them would get “angry” if told their way of > doing something is for sighted people. > > In that light, you mentioned you’ve been working with blind people > since 2010, so it surprises me that you feel like such a stranger. > More than that, it saddens me because the last thing visually impaired > people wish is for sighted people to feel like strangers, any more > than visually impaired people wish to be strangers among sighted people. > > Because you teach JAWS, I urge you to make it a practice to use it in > your private, as well as teaching, life, at least for (say) half an > hour a day, so that you will become proficient. I also hope you will > allow your thinking to evolve on the issue of universal accessibility. > You may think such an attitude is realistic, perhaps with some reason > as things stand, but it doesn’t have to stay this way unless > accessibility runs up against defeatism. > > In these ways, you will definitely improve your teaching approach. > > Adrian Spratt > -- Soronel Haetir [email protected] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to [email protected] Archives located at: http://www.groups.io/g/jfw/threads Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html If you have any concerns about the list, posts received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at [email protected]. -=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View This Message (#38164): https://groups.io/g/jfw/message/38164 Mute This Thread: https://groups.io/mt/596919?uid=21656 Change Your Subscription: https://groups.io/g/jfw/editsub?uid=21656 Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/jfw/leave/46502/1292106160/xyzzy Group Home: https://groups.io/g/jfw Contact Group Owner: [email protected] Terms of Service: https://groups.io/static/tos -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
