It's refreshing to hear from someone who actually has a lick of sense.
For the benefit of those who don't, I echo George's points emphatically.
Neither am I attacking HJ. Really, they're probably no better or no
worse than most corporations of our day. They all want the big buck,
and they're all willing to walk on the consumer to get it. To HJ, I
simply say, along with George, "It's time to scrap your antiquated
authorization system, with its dependency on the nearly outmoded floppy
disk, and try the method pefected by the biggest of the big
boys...Microsoft's CD-key system."
>From: "George Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: jfw authorization disk
>Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:56:11 -0500
>
>Charles I am in complete agreement with you on this one. Sense you and
I
>are about the same age (I will be 65 at the end of June), we have both
seen
>many companies that take advantage of both sighted and blind people. I
am
>not attacking HJ, because I think there product is pretty good, may be
the
>best, because I have not tried them all. I do think the HJ
authorization
>method is outdated and should be scrapped. I also think the consumer
laws
>are too loose and should be tightened.
>
>George Marshall
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Charles Lott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 1:06 AM
>Subject: Re: jfw authorization disk
>
>
>>"Let the buyer beware" is a thoroughly evil caveat. You say the
public
>>has no right to demand that a business make changes in "legal"
business
>>practices. You and I both know that often businesses engage in shady
>>practices just inside the law. Of course I'm not intimating that HJ
is
>>doing so in this matter of authorization disks; however, I do sy
they're
>>doing something totally stupid and archaic, and the public does hav a
>>right to demand change because that practice is detrimental to the
>>user's best interests. True, we can refuse to buy the product, unless
>>it's Windows, and inspite of there being at least one better operating
>>system, we can't use it because Microsoft has bamboozled all the
>>software manufacturers into refusing to write for the better
system...In
>>that case, "Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to
>>your door" is simply not true. HJ is, as you say, well within their
>>legal rights to use this outdated protection system; but if end users
>>had a lick of sense, HJ would very soon have to change the practice
>>simply to survive. You are indeed right in saying that the public's
>>power lies in its use of its purse strings. Nevertheless, we have a
>>responsibility to let HJ know how we feel about a system that
endangers
>>our ability to make the best use of the product we have been good
enough
>>to purchase from them.
>>
>>
>>>From: David Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Re: jfw authorization disk
>>>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:23:46 -0500
>>>
>>>I'm sorry I confused you. I thought my statement was clear.
>>>
>>>In my 60 + years I have learned that a company can run its' business
>>anyway
>>>they choose as long as they do not defraud the public.
>>>
>>>The public can choose to buy the product or not. The business will
>>respond
>>>to the financial pressure. The public has no right to demand changes
>>in
>>>legal business practice. Anyone has the right to start a business in
>>>competition. Some do and others just complain.
>>>
>>>While we are on caveat ; what about "Let the buyer beware"?
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>At 06:29 PM 3/19/99 EST Charles Lott Wrote:
>>>Mr. Meyers:
>>>
>>>I hear you saying that anything HJ chooses to do, regardless of the
>>>effect it may have on paying end-users, is absolutely right, and that
>>>the end user has no right to any objections. The last time I looked,
>>>which may have been years ago, since I'm almost 65, there was a
caveat
>>>in the business world: "The customer is always right." The day we
get
>>>to the point where any corporation has the right to ignore the
concerns
>>>of its customers, this nation can consider itself doomed, yes, and
>>>damnet.
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: David Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>Subject: Re: jfw authorization disk
>>>>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:27:07 -0500
>>>>
>>>>Well said, Walt! The key words in your post are "causing for
>>>themselves".
>>>>
>>>>Evidently, HJ has legitimate business reasons for having the
>>>authorization
>>>>system. Anyone having the need for more than one authorization
disk
>>>can
>>>>do as you did and purchase a blank one from HJ and move some of the
>>>keys
>>>>onto it. I know HJ has worked with some who have lost keys through
>>>their
>>>>actions and issued resets.
>>>>
>>>>All the whining is getting old. If one does not like the product,
>>>which
>>>>they could demo before purchase, they could have went elsewhere for
>>>their
>>>>screen reader and gotten one of the wonderful ones that HJ's
>>>competitors
>>>>are pushing on this list. .
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>At 04:04 PM 3/19/99 -0500 Walt Smith Wrote:
>>>>I don't understand what you're talking about ... two sets of keys?
>>Are
>>>we
>>>>talking about a computer program or a mini-van?
>>>>
>>>>I simply do not understand, as I've said before, *why* people have
all
>>>the
>>>>problems they seem to have with keys. I'm not questioning that they
>>>*do*
>>>>have them ... that's painfully obvious ... but I started out with
JAWS
>>>>over a year ago, have moved it from system to system, upgraded from
>>3.0
>>>to
>>>>3.2, etc., etc., and have never had the kinds of problems that
people
>>>seem
>>>>to be capable of causing for themselves. The only problems I've
>>>>experienced were the result of my own lack of attention ... like
>>>resizing
>>>>a partition without first moving the key back to the authorization
>>>disk.
>>>>I know there are others who also haven't had these problems, so
what's
>>>>really going on here?
>>>>
>>>>I bought a second authorization disk with no keys on it just so I
>>could
>>>>keep one at home and one at work at all times for purposes of
removing
>>>a
>>>>key if necessary and this has proven to be a handy tool. Since it's
>>>not
>>>>provided as part of the base package, I fully expect to pay for
>>>something
>>>>like this. Can somebody, without resorting to hysterics or flaming,
>>>>please tell me *why* this is such a difficult system to work with?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>
>>>>"Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy."
>>>> - Robert A. Heinlein
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>Franklin NC
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