I don't think we are trying to kill off the competition just raise the
bar of professionalism.
Ben in his post didn't say outright, Sundar was a bad programmer or
someone you shouldn't work with. He gave a description of Sundar's
work and recommended that you request a work sample. There might be
people who don't care about or know what OOP, Database encapsulation
or MVC is, for those people Sundar is some you might want to with.
Another issue this brings up is, PHP and web developers are looked
down on as Hacks. I work for a Financial Services Technology Company
and work with Java, C and C++ developers everyday. They don't think
very much of PHP developers. But when they see me use OOP, Database
Encapsulation, MVC etc... They are very shocked and surprised. I
have been asked by a C++ developer if PHP has arrays. LOL
This negative image of PHP and Web Developers is based on their past
experience, working with developers who work the same way Sundar
does. We all have seen people who code like this. Doesn't mean Sundar
is a bad person or never work with the guy. He just has to grow.
Sundar will be fine and will be a better developer out of this, I know
it isn't easy. It's not fun but he will improve out of this.
On Aug 9, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Steve Manes wrote:
Donna Marie Vincent wrote:
That's something that should have been done privately and directly
to the person involved.
How do you know Ben's criticism is accurate? How do you know
Sundar hasn't learned to write better code since that time?
This was not the appropriate place for his criticism.
Yeah, that's the concern I have about something like this. I've
read Ben's posts for a while so I have no reason to doubt the
criticism but, truth is, I also have no reason to believe there
might not be a personal grudge being vented. I'm not suggesting
that's what's happening here, just that it bothers me that we're all
potentially vulnerable to having capricious charges lobbed against
us in a public forum.
Just last week, on another forum, I read someone brutalize a masonry
contractor I've used several times and know to be one of the best in
the city. After speaking with him, the issue was a dispute over an
expensive change-work order which the client expected the contractor
to eat after the contracts had been signed and the quote locked in.
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