My point is the attcks on list are doing nothing but making everyone
extremely agitated. I am pals with many people on this list including some
of the ones that posted negatively. I do not support harrasment or cover up
which you see to be assuming. AND I was directing my comments to Marcel.. It
is a very sad day today and no is compounded by terroist attacks on our
country. My heart goes out to all listers in NYC and DC and pray that
everyone is safe and my prayers go out to the dead and injured by this
barbaric act. I continue to wish peace to all on this list regardless of
that Debra Shea may think of me personally.
Michael
on 9/11/01 12:18 AM, dsk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Who is doing the name-calling, Michael? Who is being unkind, without
> provocation? Who has done exactly as he pleases, among other things
> sending insulting private emails even after numerous requests to not
> correspond privately with him, and who has done that for years?
>
> I can appreciate that you and Marcel are pals. However, I think you need
> to at least consider the answers to those questions before you send a
> message that implies we are all doing something wrong. That is not the
> case.
>
> Frustration? No, it's anger that people are feeling because such
> behavior has gone on for years. It's especially jarring in a community
> that prides itself on being so loving. If you don't see anything wrong
> with the private post I forwarded to the list earlier this evening (just
> receiving it is rudeness enough; the insults it contains show very
> clearly who does the name-calling), or anything wrong with the sneering
> message from a while ago that Marcel wrote to me and posted to the list
> (and those are just the two examples that are public), then you're not
> willing to look, and you might as well admit that rather than give us
> all a speech about olive branches.
>
> Kate's "be kind" message seems to be an attempt to sort all this out,
> and I can respect anyone trying to do that. Your message is an attempt
> to cover it up and that plays right into the hands of your "friend".
> People wonder how abuse happens in "real" life. This is how. People keep
> quiet. People look the other way. People are charmed enough to not even
> be willing to listen to the people who say they are being harmed, even
> when there's evidence.
>
> I am incredibly grateful to the people who have been brave enough to
> speak bluntly and honestly about what they see is happening now, and
> know has been happening for years, because once things are looked at,
> there's a chance that the situation will improve.
>
> For anyone that wants to cover this over, no, not this time.
>
> Debra Shea
>
>
>
> Michael Paz wrote:
>>
>> Brothers and sisters! This is the way (Thank you Kate) to address this
>> issue. Name calling does nothing, but reduce the situation further (as in
>> some earlier emails). I truly understand everyones frustration in the matter
>> because I know Mark (who THINKS he's Marcel) and none of the names fit what
>> I am hearing tonight. I think it's not time to bring out the hammers and the
>> boards and the nails, but the olive branches and flowers to share.
>>
>> Love
>>
>> Paz
>>
>> NP-If You Can-Jack Neilson
