I agree with Matt, Years ago I found the tempting frameworks very useful but as 
i started to develop my own templates I found them very frustrating  to develop 
custom code into. 

I now always just use joomla native templating 

Chris


On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Matt Thomas wrote:

> One aspect worth noting, regarding frameworks, is that many of them were 
> originally created to make it easier for user's to modify and customize the 
> template through an administrative interface. One side effect of that a few 
> of them had to create their own unique solutions to accomplish this, which 
> resulted in a more complicated code base.
> 
> Some users that need to modify custom templates, might find it easier to 
> avoid frameworks like this and build a template from the ground up. Other 
> frameworks are more easily modified on the code level. 
> 
> It's sort of the yen yang of code complexity versus user experience.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Matt Thomas
> Founder betweenbrain™
> Lead Developer Construct Template Development Framework
> Phone: 203.632.9322
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> Github: https://github.com/betweenbrain
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Stephen Britton <sbrit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Janet,
> 
> Thank you for the advice. I'll give it a try. 
> 
> - - - Steve
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Janet Sullivan <jmsulliva...@yahoo.com> 
> wrote:
> Stephen:
> 
> I'm using a "son of yoothemes" template,  that also uses the Warp framework. 
> In order for the "styles" folder to work,
> you need to duplicate the "empty-style" folder in the framework, rename it to 
> something - (like my_custom_styles) then 
> ftp my-custom-styles to the Styles folder within the template folder, and it 
> seems to work.  
> 
>  
> Janet Sullivan
> 
> From: Stephen Britton <sbrit...@gmail.com>
> To: NYPHP SIG: Joomla <joomla@lists.nyphp.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [joomla] How hard can it be to make an override?
> 
> I agree the new YooTheme templates undergone major changes. The 2.5 versions 
> are far more code heavy than 1.5. The Warp framework has added another layer 
> to figure out. 
> 
> I am pulling my hair out trying to make a custom background work in Symphony. 
> YooTheme says you can create a "styles" folder and override the CSS, but it 
> doesn't work. 
> 
> As for the regular HTML overrides, like com_content and com_contact, I have 
> noticed no or very little difference between the two. It is not a problem.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donna Marie Vincent 
> <donnamarievinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Are you speaking of template overrides?  If so, which template are you using? 
>  I noticed on the Yootheme templates the template overrides were not where I 
> was expecting them to be.  This was a function of their warp system, not 
> Joomla.
> 
> 
> From: Helvécio da Silva <helvecio...@gmail.com>
> To: NYPHP SIG: Joomla <joomla@lists.nyphp.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:22 PM
> Subject: [joomla] How hard can it be to make an override?
> 
> I just started a project where I needed to do some overrides.
> 
> I've been doing this for years, as it was extremaly easy find the piece of 
> HTML code I wanted to change, then do it, while keeping functions around. 
> 
> Now, with 2.5 it seems things have changed drastically. I cannot find the 
> HTML as easy as I used to. Thus, it is impossible to change things to look 
> like I want to. If this is true, Joomla won't be a flexible CMS as it was 
> before because non-programmers WON'T know what and where to change.
> 
> As I am NOT a programmer, I'm having a hard time with this issue, that I 
> never had before.
> 
> Geez...
> 
> -- 
> Helvecio "Elvis" da Silva
> Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - helvecio...@gmail.com
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