I am also interested in these options and can review the spec. Thanks, George

On 7/15/15 4:44 PM, Salvatore D'Agostino wrote:

Also very late to the conversations but my feelings align with Phil and Nat.

*From:*Nat Sakimura [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2015 1:32 PM
*To:* Kathleen Moriarty
*Cc:* Mike Jones; Karen O'Donoghue; [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [jose] way forward for two remaining drafts

Sorry to chime in so late. I have been completely under water for sometime now.

Like Phil, I do see that draft-jones-jose-jws-signing-input-options sort of thing can be very useful, though I may want to have slightly different way of encoding the things. Being able to do detached signature is quite attractive.

Best,

Nat

2015-07-10 2:37 GMT+09:00 Kathleen Moriarty <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:

Hi,

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 9, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Mike Jones <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    About
    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-jose-jws-signing-input-options-00,
    I’ll add that this addresses the requests make by Jim Schaad and
    Richard Barnes in JOSE Issues #26 “Allow for signature payload to
    not be base64 encoded” and #23
    http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/jose/trac/ticket/23 “Make crypto
    independent of binary encoding (base64)”.

    About
    
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-jose-key-managed-json-web-signature-01,
    I’ll add that this addresses the request made by Jim Schaad in
    JOSE Issue #2 http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/jose/trac/ticket/2 “No
    key management for MAC”.

    Also, there’s a highly relevant discussion about key management
    for MACs going on in the COSE working group.  See the thread
    “[Cose] Key management for MACs (was Re: Review of
    draft-schaad-cose-msg-01)” – especially
    https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cose/aUehU6O7Ui8CXcGxy3TquZOxWH4
    and
    https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cose/ouOIdAOe2P-W8BjGLJ7BNvvRr10.

    One could take the view that our decision on the JOSE key
    management draft should be informed by the related decision in
    COSE.  Specifically, that if COSE decides to support key
    management for MACs, the same reasoning likely should apply to our
    decision on whether to define a standard mechanism for supporting
    key management for MACs in JOSE.

Key management is explicitly out-of-scope for COSE as stated in the charter. The discussion referenced had this point at the close of that discussion.

I'm not seeing much support for these drafts moving forward in JOSE. I'm also not seeing enough to justify standards track and AD sponsored. If you think these are important to have move forward in the WG or as standards track, please say so soon. They can still go forward through the Independent submission process through the ISE.

Thank you,

Kathleen



-- Mike

*From:*jose [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Karen O'Donoghue
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:38 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [jose] way forward for two remaining drafts

Folks,

With the thumbprint draft progressing through the process, we have two remaining individual drafts to decide what to do with. The options include: 1) adopt as working group drafts; 2) ask for AD sponsorship of individual drafts; or 3) recommend that they not be published. Please express your thoughts on what we should do with these drafts. Jim, Kathleen, and I would like to make a decision in the Prague timeframe, so please respond by 15 July.

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-jones-jose-jws-signing-input-options-00.txt

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-jones-jose-key-managed-json-web-signature-01.txt

Thanks,

Karen

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