My reading of this Oracle post is that is to actually change the way you
ship the applications. Instead of relying on JRE installation on client
station - ship your code bundled with JRE as jlink does (and take care
about all the updates yourself).

Anyway I guess that we can assume that number of end-user installations of
JRE will be shrinking, so shipping JRE together with your application might
be already a good idea. We should watch what Eclipse will do about it (and
all the commercial tooling based on Eclipse). My guess is that they will
not give up on it so easily.

It means then that we need to cover all platforms in our build system. This
would be the case also whatever programming language we will take.

If JOSM were to abandon Java as a language maybe we should think about
extending/repackaging/repurposing QGis? I guess that probably there were
such ideas in the past?

Cheers,

Wiktor

2018-03-08 19:07 GMT+01:00 Vincent Privat <vincent.pri...@gmail.com>:

> WebStart is going away. It is the only part of Java that isn't open source
> and they explicitely stated they won't open source it:
> https://twitter.com/DonaldOJDK/status/971492781616136194
>
> So at least starting from September we'll have to make the WebStart link
> less prominent as it won't work anymore for Windows and macOS users having
> their Java up-to-date. It will work natively only on Linux, where openjdk
> package includes the retro-engineered free version of WebStart
> (netx/icedtea-web):
> https://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web
>
> I don't know if the few (single?) people behind IcedTea-Web will have the
> desire to maintain it after Oracle drops it from JDK. I don't know either
> if icedtea-web requires jar signing: maybe we will be able to drop the
> requirement to sign josm.jar, thus asking to Frederik to pay for the
> certificates ;)
>
> JavaFX will be given to someone else soon. Maybe the Eclipse Foundation,
> like Java EE which has be transferred to Eclipse, without the permission to
> call it Java EE anymore. Or maybe the Apache Foundation, where they already
> made OpenOffice and Hudson die there (given that they have been
> successfully forked as LibreOffice and Jenkins).
>
> AWT and Swing will still be here in Java 11. But the fact they mention it
> explicitely today probably means they have plans to remove it as soon as
> Java 12 development starts (in 6 months). I have no idea if the new project
> will create enough traction to have enough contributors (volunteers or pais
> staff from other companies), we'll see. Swing is still used a lot in the
> industry. At least we should be able to fix Swing bugs ourselves when we
> find ones.
>
> Concerning JOSM it means we will probably have to ship AWT, Swing and
> JavaFX in josm.jar. In JDK9 the desktop module (AWT+Swing) weights 13Mb,
> the various JavaFX modules 30Mb. JOSM jar is only 12Mb today.
>
> Cheers,
> Vincent
>
> 2018-03-08 11:19 GMT+01:00 Dirk Stöcker <openstreet...@dstoecker.de>:
>
> > On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, Dirk Stöcker wrote:
> >
> > [nothing]
> >
> > Sorry, operator error :-)
> >
> >
> > Ciao
> > --
> > http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)
> >
>

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