Yep, these things are relative. I had the same experience with Tomcat, and
switched to JRun for the better documentation and reliability. Now, what's
to say I won't outgrow JRun? In the mean time the price is right. BenG.
At 08:13 PM 11/16/00 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>We were using Tomcat for a while and it just fell apart on us after a
>while, and that is why we switched to Allaire. So far it's been
>great. The only real problem that we've had is that it locks up every
>once in a while, but a quick restart fixes it.
>
>I know the new site made by the Hotmail founder uses Jrun as well (again
>started using Tomcat).
>
>Travis
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: Dobromir Karamelsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: 2000-11-16 15:40:34.0
>To: JRun-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: RE: RE: Application server
>
>Hmm I did the same research in the pass and find out that everyone is
>pointing BEA WebLogic like the best one.. But also it's very heavy and
>it's has so much features so it?s not very easy thing... You can also
>check Oracle iAS, especially if you going to use Oracle as a backend.
>Oracle is using Apache as a HTTP listener and JServ core so you can
>check java.apache.org as well ....
>
>
>--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > What is a better server?
> >
> > Travis
> >
> > ---- Original Message ----
> > From: Jeff Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: 2000-11-15 19:27:31.0
> > To: JRun-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: RE: Application server
> >
> > I would argue that JRun is not a good option from the stand point
> > that it is
> > pretty buggy and Allaire has a very unresponsive support and
> > management
> > team. A summary of the issues we have run into with JRun include:
> >
> > - The inability to disable JRun session cookies (a broken option that
> > we
> > twisted Allaire to fix in SP1)
> > - Numerous bugs in the JMC that Allaire has failed to fix
> > - Buggy code in sendCookie (sends an incorrect expiration time) that
> > we
> > found (by decompiling Allaire's code) and after several weeks of
> > dealing
> > with unresponsive support and management, got included in SP1.
> > - An utter lack of response to the "Too Many Concurrent Requests"
> > issue that
> > left lots of people scrambling to migrate servlet containers.
> > - More buggy code in sendCookie, where JRun pretty much rewrites all
> > your
> > http headers (Cache Control: no-cache="cookie1,cooke2" -- whatever
> > the hell
> > that means -- as well as forcing Connection: Close so we couldn't use
> > keep
> > alives). Allaire has said "we have no plans to fix this".
> > - Bugs in certain forwarding under very specific circumstances where
> > ioexceptions are thrown -- Allaire has said "we have no plans to fix
> > this".
> > - Bugs in certain forwarding under specific circumstances where your
> > URL
> > gets rewritten with "jsessionid=<pick_a_random_number>" on the end.
> > This is
> > obviously related to JRun's sesion code. Support guy's response when
> > I
> > reported this to him months ago was a sarcastic "no".... I showed
> > him and
> > he finally believed me. We have actually reported this twice and
> > they (you
> > guessed it) "have no plans to fix this". (Though they are _SURE_
> > this is
> > related to the "jsessionid" issue above, the ioexception issue as
> > well as
> > the issue below).
> > - Miscellaneous Java Control Protocol errors that Allaire has given
> > up on
> > (we haven't heard from them in weeks even though we have THREE open
> > bug
> > reports -- with NO work arounds). They too seem to only happen
> > rarely when
> > forwarding.
> >
> > And that would be just the beginning... Keep in mind, you MUST
> > either buy
> > support or give them a credit card to even report bugs (your credit
> > card
> > won't be charged if you report a confirmed bug). It's a dumb policy
> > considering we have called support dozens of times to work with
> > Allaire on
> > what has resulted in about a dozen bug reports. We have never needed
> > any
> > support from them other than to fix their bugs -- which they fail to
> > do
> > anyway. The moral here is DO NOT buy a support plan.
> >
> > Allaire is pretty lax about support in general. Their SLA of four
> > hours for
> > a call back and 5 days for either a patch, work around or escalation
> > to
> > management is BS.
> >
> > I'd definitely suggest other options! If you decide to go with JRun,
> > check
> > around the web on Allaire's JRun forum, this mailing list and any
> > others you
> > find. I think you'll find a lot of upset JRun users. Pardon the
> > profanity,
> > but there is an interesting thread here as well:
> >
> > http://www.fuckedcompany.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001676.html
> >
> > Now, with all this said, if you are just "playing around" with an app
> > server, JRun is fine. If your app is not critical to your
> > operations, JRun
> > is fine. We have a request open with a JRun sales guy for some
> > references
> > (who uses JRun) and after many weekly email from him along the lines
> > of
> > "haven't forgotten you -- will call you later today) we have given
> > up. The
> > best "mission critical" example of JRun in production we have been
> > given is
> > EMC. Mmmm... As far as I know, if EMCs site goes down, they'll
> > still sell
> > just as much storage as if the had been up. I'm not saying there
> > aren't
> > amazons, yahoos and ebays running JRun but if there are, Allaire
> > isn't using
> > them as references.
> >
> > Feel free to email me if you have any more specific
> > questions/concerns.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > ANIL KRISHNANANDA wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > All,
> > > > >
> > > > > We are in the process of shopping for application server. We
> > > > have ColdFusion implementation (version 4.5.1). We are looking
> > > > for good JAVA J2EE support from application server.
> > > > > Is Jrun is good choice with current implementation ?/ if so,
> > > > explain why???
> > > > >
> > > > > We should be able to call JAVA components from ColdFusion
> > > > tag(like CFSERVLET, CFOBJECT ..) Please advice regarding
> > > > selecting app server ..
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Anil
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________________________
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