CC'ing to dev so our mentors can review... On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Les Hazlewood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, in our Incubator Proposal, section 3.1, we had asked for 4 lists, > one of which was a user list, the intention of which was to have it from day > one. This was publicly available for review by anyone for weeks. The > proposal was reviewed extensively and voted upon by the Incubator PMC, and > no one once said that a user list should be postponed. > > I don't know where you've seen arguments to sticking with the dev list for > now - I've never heard of these, and I'm rather surprised that a user list > does not yet exist. > > I guess what I'm saying is that the Proposal has been voted upon and > approved - there is no further need to vote internally for a user list. If > you want to hold a vote, it should be to reverse what has already been > approved - that we vote to _not_ set up the already-approved list. > > I will vote a hearty -1 for such a proposal. User lists have nothing to do > with traffic and have everything to do with routing. Most end-users don't > want to be bothered by architecture or implementation internal details. And > since we don't have a Forum product in the Incubator infrastructure, there > is _no_ outlet for end users for communication other than the current dev > list. That is not what the dev list is for. That we already have more user > subscribers than dev subscribers in our current infrastructure should shed > to light its importance and reason for provisioning. > > My .02 > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> This has been discussed several times on the incubator list, and has >> always been left somewhat unanswered. If we need to hold a vote on it, we >> can but the current decision and what was in our original proposal was to >> just have a dev list at the beginning. >> Alan, based on past experience, recommended not creating a user list until >> there was enough traffic so as to have a more interesting list to subscribe >> to and not have a list that's mostly dead. >> >> I don't agree with setting one up immediately (i.e. without discussion >> and/or a vote), especially since there have been arguments for sticking with >> just the dev list for now. I don't see why a project should have multiple >> lists if the traffic on one list is small. >> >> Jeremy >> >> >> On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> No. There is no [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. We are not >>> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to require one. >> >> >> I didn't know there wasn't one yet. Who determined that "we are not >> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to require one"? Is >> this an Incubator practice? >> >> A user list has nothing to do with traffic - it has to do with routing >> appropriate requests - dev list posts are for the people committing to and >> contributing to the project. User list posts are for end users who just >> want to ask questions or help other end users out. >> >> If we don't have a user list set up, I'm cc'ing Alan and Craig - every OS >> project should have these two lists at a bare minimum... We have a user >> list now, with more subscribers on it than the dev list - we need to mirror >> this in the incubator infrastructure. >> >> Alan, Craig? Can we get this set up asap? >> >> - Les >> >> use the [email protected] list for any questions related >>> to JSecurity. >>> >>> You can find information on our mailing lists and how to subscribe here: >>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JSEC/Mailing+Lists >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Peter Ledbrook wrote: >>> >>> 2008/7/1 Les Hazlewood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>>> >>>>> P.S. Also, just a friendly reminder - please use the >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. We'll be moving away from >>>>> the >>>>> codehaus lists shortly! >>>>> >>>> >>>> Do we have this yet? I thought we only had "jsecurity-dev" so far? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit: >>>> >>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit: >>> >>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
