https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1667
Regards,
Alan
On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:49 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
It doesn't matter if it's in the proposal or not. If the community
wants it they can get it.
I'll file a request today.
Regards,
Alan
On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
Allan D. and Jeremy just forwarded me the email thread stating that
the user
list might be held off until later.
I have no idea how I missed this - I use GMail for mail, and I've
searched
all folders, and no results come up. That I didn't reply to any of
the
responses when I was the one who initiated the thread should
hopefully be
evidence enough that I wasn't aware of it.
I believe it should still be set up, per the approved Proposal.
Even if the
traffic is low, that doesn't hurt anything. The OS world expects
at a
minimum dev lists and user lists - we should have them both,
especially
since they have already been approved.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
CC'ing to dev so our mentors can review...
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Les Hazlewood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Actually, in our Incubator Proposal, section 3.1, we had asked
for 4
lists, one of which was a user list, the intention of which was
to have it
from day one. This was publicly available for review by anyone
for weeks.
The proposal was reviewed extensively and voted upon by the
Incubator PMC,
and no one once said that a user list should be postponed.
I don't know where you've seen arguments to sticking with the dev
list for
now - I've never heard of these, and I'm rather surprised that a
user list
does not yet exist.
I guess what I'm saying is that the Proposal has been voted upon
and
approved - there is no further need to vote internally for a user
list. If
you want to hold a vote, it should be to reverse what has already
been
approved - that we vote to _not_ set up the already-approved list.
I will vote a hearty -1 for such a proposal. User lists have
nothing to
do with traffic and have everything to do with routing. Most end-
users
don't want to be bothered by architecture or implementation
internal
details. And since we don't have a Forum product in the Incubator
infrastructure, there is _no_ outlet for end users for
communication other
than the current dev list. That is not what the dev list is
for. That we
already have more user subscribers than dev subscribers in our
current
infrastructure should shed to light its importance and reason for
provisioning.
My .02
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
This has been discussed several times on the incubator list, and
has
always been left somewhat unanswered. If we need to hold a vote
on it, we
can but the current decision and what was in our original
proposal was to
just have a dev list at the beginning.
Alan, based on past experience, recommended not creating a user
list
until there was enough traffic so as to have a more interesting
list to
subscribe to and not have a list that's mostly dead.
I don't agree with setting one up immediately (i.e. without
discussion
and/or a vote), especially since there have been arguments for
sticking with
just the dev list for now. I don't see why a project should
have multiple
lists if the traffic on one list is small.
Jeremy
On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Jeremy Haile
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No. There is no [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. We
are not
adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to
require one.
I didn't know there wasn't one yet. Who determined that "we are
not
adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to
require one"? Is
this an Incubator practice?
A user list has nothing to do with traffic - it has to do with
routing
appropriate requests - dev list posts are for the people
committing to and
contributing to the project. User list posts are for end users
who just
want to ask questions or help other end users out.
If we don't have a user list set up, I'm cc'ing Alan and Craig -
every OS
project should have these two lists at a bare minimum... We
have a user
list now, with more subscribers on it than the dev list - we
need to mirror
this in the incubator infrastructure.
Alan, Craig? Can we get this set up asap?
- Les
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On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Peter Ledbrook wrote:
2008/7/1 Les Hazlewood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
P.S. Also, just a friendly reminder - please use the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list. We'll be moving
away from
the
codehaus lists shortly!
Do we have this yet? I thought we only had "jsecurity-dev" so
far?
Cheers,
Peter
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